I don't really follow. Who says their celebrating Christmas then by taking the day off. Maybe their place of business isn't open and like any logical person, they didn't go into work, or try to. And my original point was something like this: If I want to celebrate easter by hiding eggs and telling doe-eyed children that a giant rabbitt hid them everywhere, then what do you care. Just because what easter is to you is something completly diffrent doesn't mean than Im wrong because all I do it hide eggs.

Tons more people may share the same idea that its when Jesus rose from the dead, but that doesn't mean the letters that combine to make the word "easter" or the sounds those letters represent to english speaking people are inherently perscribed to a celebration of a savior rising from the grave.

And what the hell does non-believers getting down on christmas mean? Do all the atheists have a big dance off on December 25th? If you're going to argue something of this caliber, you need to use universally accepted terms that help illustrate your point. Otherwise im going to say I know tons of Muslims who didn't dance on Dec. 25th.

As far as celebrating it when your not christian, Define celebration. I don't think non-christians display a nativity scene or have a cake for jesus. I just think they trade presents, which to any real chrisitan has nothing to do with Jesus, and therefore, is not a celebration of him.

I like ya Vanilla, but I think you're way off the mark here, and you're making assumtions that aren't true, and statements that are nothing short of baseless. Honestly, I say jsut drop it because the longer you fight the heavier the arguments going to get. I see what you were trying to say, but it won't hold water.

And no cheeseman, it wouldn't be because no one thinks he was actually born on Dec. 25th. Its not his birthday, its just the day we celebrate his birth. I don't thats not quick to grasp, but you can celebrate someones birth whenever you want, technically.

I actually meant supposedly born full stop.

I see what you're saying, and I know what I mean, but ok I admit I'm not the best at explaining things.

This is what I'm trying to say:

That when people who don't believe celebrate Christmas, think it's only for giving presents, and bring down the Christian reason for celebrating.

I would really like to know the reason non-Christians began to celebrate christmas, like where it all began, because it doesn't make sense to me.

Therefore, I am really asking for answers, not giving them.

Christmas seems like such a negative thing to some people, when it's supposed to be the complete opposite. Why celebrate something you can't stand? Why waste money on presents you don't want to give?

I think it's because through family etc it's kind of expected that we do these things.

No I'm talked about the roots of Christmas part-takers. How did it become that non-Christians give presents at that time?

Christmas used to be Yule, Vanilla.
Yuletime was the pagan celebration of the winter solstice.
Early Christians fused the birth of Christ with Yule.

http://www.candlegrove.com/yule.html

^this will explain better^

Thank you, it means a lot! Finally I'm getting somewhere.

Trust christians to bugger everyone's fun;)

^ *stabs with a cross* :laughing:

It better be inverted:tramp: