Prove Jesus Christ exists, judge orders priest (Cobain, track, quote)

cardboard adolescent · 01-07-2006, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt_Cobain

And God gave man a unique gift that he gave no other of his creations, the gift of choice. WE could end starvation in Africa, but our goverments CHOOSE not to. Why should he get involved if our own people don't have the compassion to help each other.
Religion is like music. I don't knock a band until I hear their tunes. It's ok to say you dont believe, but dont knock my God unti you read the Bible, it's called courtesy.

Well, that's funny, because if I recall, in Exodus there is a part where Moses is trying to convince the Pharaoh to let his people go, and every time he asks the Pharaoh God "hardens" the Pharaoh's heart, and the Pharaoh denies Moses' request. So, where's the free will / choice in that? In fact, that's a pretty sadistic God, if you ask me.

So, maybe you should be the one reading the Bible. Because that's just one example of hundreds of occurences of hypocrisy and contradictions in that book.

Kurt_Cobain · 01-07-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

Well, that's funny, because if I recall, in Exodus there is a part where Moses is trying to convince the Pharaoh to let his people go, and every time he asks the Pharaoh God "hardens" the Pharaoh's heart, and the Pharaoh denies Moses' request. So, where's the free will / choice in that? In fact, that's a pretty sadistic God, if you ask me.

So, maybe you should be the one reading the Bible. Because that's just one example of hundreds of occurences of hypocrisy and contradictions in that book.

But does it ever say that his heart is 'harder'? Does God favour Moses, and was he the one that ordered Moses to go and demand his people be freed?

right-track · 01-07-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt_Cobain

And God gave man a unique gift that he gave no other of his creations, the gift of choice. WE could end starvation in Africa, but our goverments CHOOSE not to. Why should he get involved if our own people don't have the compassion to help each other.

God made man in his own likeness.

Didn't God give man everything?

So why make something that is flawed?

Shoddy craftmanship God!

sleepy jack · 01-07-2006, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track

God made man in his own likeness.

Didn't God give man everything?

So why make something that is flawed?

Shoddy craftmanship God!

I'd consider mindless and non free thinking humans a flaw.

Kurt_Cobain · 01-07-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track

God made man in his own likeness.

Didn't God give man everything?

So why make something that is flawed?

Shoddy craftmanship God!

No God didnt give man everything, they didnt know all the things unitl they ate from the tree of knowledge, the way we live now isnt the way God intended

Barnard17 · 01-07-2006, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

If it affects you so deeply move there and spend your life helping them.

It doesn't affect me deeply. I'm just saying it's bull to worship a God who is loving, all powerful and lets stuff like that happen anyway.

Kurt: he gave us the gift of choice and made us flawed knowing full well that we would make the wrong choices. Loving? Hardly. We would not need to help others if he had not put us into a perpetuating situation where others will always need help. We have institutions that can sort it but if God is as loving as he claims, we shouldn't need them.

Who says I haven't read the bible? I had the damn thing driven into me. But then again, "God" "gave" me free choice. I'll knock the **** out of him if I want.

right-track · 01-07-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt_Cobain

No God didnt give man everything, they didnt know all the things unitl they ate from the tree of knowledge, the way we live now isnt the way God intended

Incompetent too.

Kurt_Cobain · 01-07-2006, 03:29 PM

^He didnt make us flawed, because we wasnt created to know sin, but we recognised right from wrong when Adam and Eve ate from the tree. If we didnt recognice right from wrong, and lived in paradise, it would be impossible to sin. But because we disobeyed one simple rule, we were cast from paradise, but still he loved us. And since after that we could sin, he gave us twelve commandments, so we knew where not to **** up.

Barnard17 · 01-07-2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt_Cobain

^He didnt make us flawed, because we wasnt created to know sin, but we recognised right from wrong when Adam and Eve ate from the tree.

So it isn't a flaw to be tempted by the words of the Serpent? I'd have said that was a pretty massive flaw. He made us knowing we could be tempted. He made us knowing that we would be tempted. He made us knowing that once tempted we would know sin. He made us flawed.

It's like going "I know that if X and Y occurs you will kill a man. However, I trust your decision to not kill said man (though I know you will). Neither do I plan to do anything out to help you in regards to X and Y. And you don't know that it's destined to happen, so you can't realise what's going on. Infact I haven't said this - you don't know you're going to kill a man, but I do."

sleepy jack · 01-07-2006, 03:33 PM

You know, its not like God had a plan and knew that it would happen or anything...

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