Prove Jesus Christ exists, judge orders priest (Cobain, Religious, cover)

Kurt_Cobain · 01-07-2006, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fal

So it isn't a flaw to be tempted by the words of the Serpent? I'd have said that was a pretty massive flaw. He made us knowing we could be tempted. He made us knowing that we would be tempted. He made us knowing that once tempted we would know sin. He made us flawed.

It's like going "I know that if X and Y occurs you will kill a man. However, I trust your decision to not kill said man (though I know you will). Neither do I plan to do anything out to help you in regards to X and Y. And you don't know that it's destined to happen, so you can't realise what's going on. Infact I haven't said this - you don't know you're going to kill a man, but I do."

He made us with free choice. Because he gave us that he was a fool, and he should never have done it? Their was a man that wanted to take away free choice, and Fal, he was a bad man...because that was Hitler. I guess God can't win.

right-track · 01-07-2006, 03:40 PM

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You know, its not like God had a plan and knew that it would happen or anything...

Not true. God is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end...the all knowing.
God knows the future and has been passing it on to a select few through the ages.

ie; The book of Revelations was revealed and how the world would end with the Apocalypse.

It seems to me, that God as a designer, botched the job in the first place and has been papering over the cracks ever since.

Or it's all intentional.

Either way I don't get it.

sleepy jack · 01-07-2006, 03:42 PM

Then please explain to me how the world came to be without a higher power.

Kurt_Cobain · 01-07-2006, 03:42 PM

The revalation book isnt how the world WILL end, its how the world would end if man could not change his ways. If it was how it was going to end he wouldnt have shown it to one man to preach. But he knew it could be changed if his people came back to him, prooving again that he still loved his people.

right-track · 01-07-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt_Cobain

The revalation book isnt how the world WILL end, its how the world would end if man could not change his ways.

Nope...judgement day will come. According to the bible these things will pass.

Alexonfire...If I knew that...

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Kurt_Cobain · 01-07-2006, 03:51 PM

No, got that wrong haha. Revalation is when God sweeps away all sinners and takes his children to heaven. If you accept God into your life, he accepts you. If not..oh well.
Luke 21: 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

right-track · 01-07-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt_Cobain

prooving again that he still loved his people.

Explain the flood and the death of untold others at the hands of God

Barnard17 · 01-07-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt_Cobain

He made us with free choice. Because he gave us that he was a fool, and he should never have done it?

I didn't say that, though partially yes. He did a number of things things, 1) gave us free choice, 2) made us susceptible, 3) created a tree to tempt us, 4) didn't deal with the devil promptly letting him further corrupt us, 5) knew exactly what this combination of things would lead too.

Would you put a chocolate cake on a table, put a 5 year old in the room and tell him not to eat the cake and then leave the room? If you would, you're a ****ing idiot. God either did not exist as stated in the Bible (in which case there's no point in worshipping him because you don't know what of him is true or not), or he's a ****ing idiot (in which case, if you worship him, you're as much of an idiot as he is). Like I say, I don't care if God exists or not, but worshipping him is near sighted.

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Their was a man that wanted to take away free choice, and Fal, he was a bad man...because that was Hitler. I guess God can't win.

Hitler wanted to kill Jews too - and he did. I don't get your point, why must the removal of free choice equate to being Hitler?

Out of interest, was it free will that we ate the apple? I mean, he knew exactly what would lead us to eating the apple and knew exactly how to stop it. He put us in a situation that he knew we couldn't resist and he set the ball rolling. He did nothing to stop it after that, so was it free choice? Or did we choose to do it because he left us with no other expected options (which arguably isn't free choice anyway).

sleepy jack · 01-07-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track

Explain the flood and the death of untold others at the hands of God

Explain how the universe came to be without a higher power and if you can't then you have no right to be attacking the idea of a higher power, because you don't even know how your world came to be.

right-track · 01-07-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt_Cobain

No, got that wrong haha. Revalation is when God sweeps away all sinners and takes his children to heaven. If you accept God into your life, he accepts you. If not..oh well.
Luke 21: 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

I already knew that. ^

You said it was'nt how the world would end...it is.

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Kurt_Cobain Alan Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In bed, with Cheryl Tweedy Posts: 275	No, got that wrong haha. Revalation is when God sweeps away all sinners and takes his children to heaven. If you accept God into your life, he accepts you. If not..oh well. Luke 21: 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things* that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.* __________________ http://kungfucrazy.forum-motion.com/