piracy, yay or nay? (cds, albums, quote, bands, songs)

adidasss · 02-07-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

^ it all depends on who you're downloading. If it's from a small homegrown label than that is simply not the case. If it's Columbia or Sony or some other monster label, than I'd agree that they won't miss the song. But at it's core it is an illegal act.

OMG!! it's an illegal act?!

nope, still don't care....

riseagainstrocks · 02-07-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

intellectual property just isn't tangible enough for me to feel like i'm actually stealing.....

if you spent a year painting a beautiful painting and then had someone take it without paying you how would you feel?

if you spent several months writing some of the best songs you've ever made, songs that you poured your heart and soul into, would you want someone to take those too?

intellectual property is very much property. And besides, it's not just and idea you're stealing, it's a tangible object of worth.

mosesandtherubberducky · 02-07-2006, 03:35 PM

I download music...and what ever I want that I can find. The internet is as much of a useful tool for rightfully listening/reading/using as it is for unrightfully attaining things.

But I do buy albums from artists I really do like, most of the time I get a couple of songs to get the feel of the band/artist and if I like them I go out and buy the album...

Games and programs depend, if I need it and don't have it (like power point or word) then I'm going to get it anyway possible, but the cheapest way always overrules the right.

DontRunMeOver · 02-07-2006, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

if you spent a year painting a beautiful painting and then had someone take it without paying you how would you feel?

Uh oh, now I'm in trouble. Leonardo's going to get Splinter and Casey Jones on me...

adidasss · 02-07-2006, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

if you spent a year painting a beautiful painting and then had someone take it without paying you how would you feel?

if you spent several months writing some of the best songs you've ever made, songs that you poured your heart and soul into, would you want someone to take those too?

intellectual property is very much property. And besides, it's not just and idea you're stealing, it's a tangible object of worth.

about the painting, i would be pissed off because it's unique ( man, that example was built to be ripped apart ), albums, software, films, games that are on the market are not unique, they're reproductions and there's thousands of them....to use an analogy, i wouldn't be pissed off if someone stole a poster of one of my paintings

if i was a musician, and most of the musicians i listen to are fuckin loaded, i would just want to share my music with other people and would be content with the money i already made instead of worrying about getting even more rich, money isn't everything...

the tangible object is worth about 50 cents in material and about a buck more for the production and recording of data.....they're selling it for oh, i don't know, 100 times the actual worth?

i don't see record companies, software companies or musicians for that matter that are poor, if they make a good product, they'll make enough money from the people that have enough money to pay for their overpriced products.....and hey, if i was a billionaire, i would definetly buy everything in the original....but since i'm not.....

Merkaba · 02-07-2006, 04:08 PM

No I don't care so much about piracy on the internet. For the most part, mainstream musicians already sucker in more then enough people to buy the originals through record company advertisings, a few million people on the internet stealing is worth a lot but again it's not the end of the world for them, they're still getting big pay packs.

Little wee artists with no label might miss out a lot more financially, but if they're good, it is often counteracted with huge promotion via internet, promotion that leads to people hunting down authentic copies, copies they wouldn't be hunting for if it weren't for the internet.

Okay so it's illegal, but while it's easy pickings I'll take advantage of it. Until I earn millions of dollars to blow on authentic copies, I think I'll download. I don't even download entire albums, I just "taste test".

riseagainstrocks · 02-07-2006, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver

Uh oh, now I'm in trouble. Leonardo's going to get Splinter and Casey Jones on me...

he's been adequatly compensated for it.

that's what I was getting at.

Spike*Spiegel · 02-07-2006, 07:26 PM

i go for both. usually ill just buy a cd instead of pirating it unless im making a mix. dvds and games tend to be ****ty quality when you download them, so i stick to buying or borrowing.

jibber · 02-07-2006, 07:47 PM

If it's a relatively unknown band just starting out, I'll download a few songs to see if I like them, and then buy the album if I do. Any band that's already really popular and succesfull and signed to a major record label, then I'll just dowload their songs and not bother buying the album.

cardboard adolescent · 02-07-2006, 08:20 PM

Most of the bands I listen to have already broken up at this point, so there's not much point in putting more money in their pockets while they sit around all day on their lazy asses now, is there?

Or even worse, paying to feed that whore Courtney Love (or some other relative, you get the point)

02-07-2006, 03:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
mosesandtherubberducky butt say x Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: so i read the question as "Where YOU live" which was kinda funny instead of "Where you live" Posts: 1,649	I download music...and what ever I want that I can find. The internet is as much of a useful tool for rightfully listening/reading/using as it is for unrightfully attaining things. But I do buy albums from artists I really do like, most of the time I get a couple of songs to get the feel of the band/artist and if I like them I go out and buy the album... Games and programs depend, if I need it and don't have it (like power point or word) then I'm going to get it anyway possible, but the cheapest way always overrules the right. __________________ Can I have a youtube video for a sig? There's a thing that says "Wrap [YOUTUBE] tags around selected text"

02-07-2006, 04:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
Merkaba Whitewater! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,885	No I don't care so much about piracy on the internet. For the most part, mainstream musicians already sucker in more then enough people to buy the originals through record company advertisings, a few million people on the internet stealing is worth a lot but again it's not the end of the world for them, they're still getting big pay packs. Little wee artists with no label might miss out a lot more financially, but if they're good, it is often counteracted with huge promotion via internet, promotion that leads to people hunting down authentic copies, copies they wouldn't be hunting for if it weren't for the internet. Okay so it's illegal, but while it's easy pickings I'll take advantage of it. Until I earn millions of dollars to blow on authentic copies, I think I'll download. I don't even download entire albums, I just "taste test". __________________ She thinks I'm a reclusive genius, she's going to be very disappointed when she finds out i'm a reclusive wanker

02-07-2006, 07:47 PM	#19 (permalink)
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,536	If it's a relatively unknown band just starting out, I'll download a few songs to see if I like them, and then buy the album if I do. Any band that's already really popular and succesfull and signed to a major record label, then I'll just dowload their songs and not bother buying the album. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

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02-07-2006, 07:26 PM	#18 (permalink)
Spike*Spiegel Five Feet of Fury Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: suburbanite Posts: 761	i go for both. usually ill just buy a cd instead of pirating it unless im making a mix. dvds and games tend to be ****ty quality when you download them, so i stick to buying or borrowing.

02-07-2006, 08:20 PM	#20 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	Most of the bands I listen to have already broken up at this point, so there's not much point in putting more money in their pockets while they sit around all day on their lazy asses now, is there? Or even worse, paying to feed that whore Courtney Love (or some other relative, you get the point)