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[MERIT] 12-08-2006 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 309361)
I bet you masterbate to lesbian porn, go eat a fucking bible and join the 21st century.

better than masturbating to your playgirls and emo music and cutting my wrists and crying b/c my e-boyfriend dumped me and wearing eyeshadow and white leather belt from hot topic i suppose. hows that for stereotyping?

tdoc210 12-08-2006 05:23 PM

STFU right now oojay
I have more morals than you
I may joke around some time
but you are jsut pissing me off
ok. call me ignorant, a cult follower. ok
i dont ****ing care
its people liek you, who ruin everything for evryone.
Maybe christ was the son of god
but im sure as hell positive he wouldnt liek you either way oojay

sleepy jack 12-08-2006 05:23 PM

I am going to close this for two days, mainly because everyone including myself is getting way too hotheaded.

I was going to leave a last word, but I don't see the point because it wouldn't be thought out and intelligent, just 'witty'.

right-track 12-08-2006 05:25 PM

Final word.

Let there be no hard feelings.

Whats important here is freedom of opinion.

Everybody's entitled to one.

Urban Hat€monger ? 12-08-2006 05:31 PM

I missed all this

Damn that`ll teach me to spend time away downloading music ;)

sleepy jack 12-08-2006 05:36 PM

I'm just replying to the thread now because i'm a mod and can.

Hey right-track, urban, wanna get together and view all the deleted posts in the sexual tension thread?





=D

right-track 12-08-2006 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 309376)
I'm just replying to the thread now because i'm a mod and can.

Hey right-track, urban, wanna get together and view all the deleted posts in the sexual tension thread?





=D

Only if you promise not to touch me again. :bringit:

sleepy jack 12-08-2006 05:40 PM

I just got caught up in the moment =(

PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe 12-08-2006 08:54 PM

I'll keep out of that one.

sleepy jack 12-08-2006 08:57 PM

Cmon Nate, its fun.
You won't believe some of stuff big3 has said then deleted!
That thing...with the coffee table and potato...
*shudders*

Raine 12-08-2006 09:28 PM

If you repent or confess to doing an immoral act (sin) but then commit the same act later, are you still redeemed i god's eye? (Assuming god exists)

[MERIT] 12-08-2006 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Raine (Post 309442)
If you repent or confess to doing an immoral act (sin) but then commit the same act later, are you still redeemed i god's eye? (Assuming god exists)

After repenting for a sin, youre supposed to make a conscious effort to not do it again. If you try your best, avoid temptation, and still happen to do it again, then just repent and ask god for forgiveness and help. But if you just say "sorry god" and dont mean it, and go do the same thing the second you get out of church, then I'm not sure God will be so lenient.

Raine 12-08-2006 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 309449)
After repenting for a sin, youre supposed to make a conscious effort to not do it again. If you try your best, avoid temptation, and still happen to do it again, then just repent and ask god for forgiveness and help. But if you just say "sorry god" and dont mean it, and go do the same thing the second you get out of church, then I'm not sure God will be so lenient.

what if its god's fault that you repeat the same sin over and over again

[MERIT] 12-08-2006 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Raine (Post 309454)
what if its god's fault that you repeat the same sin over and over again

:confused: could you please elaborate or give an example?

Raine 12-08-2006 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 309455)
:confused: could you please elaborate or give an example?

what if I were a kelptomaniac and so couldn't help my behavior.

[MERIT] 12-08-2006 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Raine (Post 309456)
what if I were a kelptomaniac and so couldn't help my behavior.

how is you being a klepto God's fault?

Raine 12-08-2006 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 309459)
how is you being a klepto God's fault?

let's pretend that it's a genetic disorder and I had it. And sicne god created me, it's his fault

swim 12-08-2006 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 309449)
After repenting for a sin, youre supposed to make a conscious effort to not do it again. If you try your best, avoid temptation, and still happen to do it again, then just repent and ask god for forgiveness and help. But if you just say "sorry god" and dont mean it, and go do the same thing the second you get out of church, then I'm not sure God will be so lenient.

God will be just as lenient. He holds no grudge and is willing to give you the free slate anytime you're willing to take it. It's just untill you are truly sorry you aren't forgiven. So Raein it depends on the more than likely complex situation. But the simple way to put it is that if you're truly sorry you will be forgiven and to be truly sorry, atleast in my mind this is the way I look at it, if you change the way you think then you can be sincerely sorry. My logic behind that is say there's a poor guy who has no job and since he has no job he steals bread because he's hungry. Stealing is a sin. And he says to god I'm really sorry but I just don't have any food but the next day he steals again and he's says sorry but i just don't have any food then he can't be forgiven because hes doing the exact same thing over and over and not putting himself into a position where he can stop such as getting a job.

[MERIT] 12-08-2006 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow (Post 309461)
God will be just as lenient. He holds no grudge and is willing to give you the free slate anytime you're willing to take it. It's just untill you are truly sorry you aren't forgiven. So Raein it depends on the more than likely complex situation. But the simple way to put it is that if you're truly sorry you will be forgiven and to be truly sorry, atleast in my mind this is the way I look at it, if you change the way you think then you can be sincerely sorry. My logic behind that is say there's a poor guy who has no job and since he has no job he steals bread because he's hungry. Stealing is a sin. And he says to god I'm really sorry but I just don't have any food but the next day he steals again and he's says sorry but i just don't have any food then he can't be forgiven because hes doing the exact same thing over and over and not putting himself into a position where he can stop such as getting a job.

O.............M................G. where were you 2 hours ago?

swim 12-08-2006 09:52 PM

Watching saw2 at my dad's friends house. Yea, I'm pretty upset I missed the religous mudslinging fest. I would've tore you a new one. I know the bible like no other nihlist, ya mofo.

[MERIT] 12-08-2006 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow (Post 309468)
Watching saw2 at my dad's friends house. Yea, I'm pretty upset I missed the religous mudslinging fest. I would've tore you a new one. I know the bible like no other nihlist, ya mofo.

Really? I would have thought you would have agreed with most of what I had to say.

swim 12-08-2006 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Raine (Post 309454)
what if its god's fault that you repeat the same sin over and over again

If god gives you the problem he'll give you the solution. Everything's a test of how much you're willing to take, how open minded you are and, what you're willing to do.

Raine 12-08-2006 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow (Post 309470)
If god gives you the problem he'll give you the solution. Everything's a test of how much you're willing to take, how open minded you are and, what you're willing to do.

I doubt it.

but thanks for asking my question.

sleepy jack 12-08-2006 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow (Post 309470)
If god gives you the problem he'll give you the solution. Everything's a test of how much you're willing to take, how open minded you are and, what you're willing to do.

So what you're saying is, god = kid with magnify glass we = ants.

=D

[MERIT] 12-08-2006 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow (Post 309470)
If god gives you the problem he'll give you the solution. Everything's a test of how much you're willing to take, how open minded you are and, what you're willing to do.

God says he'll never put more on you than you can handle. So I guess it's more of a test of your faith. And when I said I thought you would agree w/me I meant b/c you kow the bible well. not b/c youre a nihilist. Are you a hardcore nihilist, or just find the ideals sensible?

swim 12-08-2006 09:59 PM

Refers to your first post with my no reply:oojay not so much in a lot of your posts I sensed christianity superiority in your posts. Meaning it just felt like since you're a christian you think you're higher than everyone else. I mean it's not your place to think anyone, such as ***s are bad people because they sin and, you made it sound like only christians can repent for their sins in one post which.

refers to second: My logic behind my nihilsim is quite complex but I'll try to consise. In biology there's thing with plants reactions to light and touch it's called tropism. I believe that humans and animals are the same way. We are born with a certain amount of what we can be, genetics, and we are placed into an environment that shapes us. Both of which we are helpless too. So, taking another basic theory that for every action there is a rection. Applying that to people is saying that by taking the infinite number of variables the outcome of what we think is inevidible and I as a cell have no control over it. I am merely a witness, passerby who by no means exists.

I guess I skipped the question, lol, I thought nihilism was really dumb for a long time but I've found the more I know the more it makes sense.

Raine 12-08-2006 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 309475)
God says he'll never put more on you than you can handle. So I guess it's more of a test of your faith.

and a good diest should argue that God ovewhelms you intentionally, not to test your faith but because he can.

[MERIT] 12-08-2006 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow (Post 309476)
I'm just saying what's written.

oojay not so much in a lot of your posts I sensed christianity superiority in your posts. Meaning it just felt like since you're a christian you think you're higher than everyone else. I mean it's not your place to think anyone, such as ***s are bad people because they sin and, you made it sound like only christians can repent for their sins in one post which.

yeah, I wasnt trying to sound like a christian elitist, but when people started attacking my religion I had to start reppin' it.

[MERIT] 12-08-2006 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Raine (Post 309477)
and a good diest should argue that God ovewhelms you intentionally, not to test your faith but because he can.

and youre a diest? I believe what god says. I know that he will never put more on me than I can handle, and even if I think he does, I know I can pray for help and he will help me through it.

sleepy jack 12-08-2006 10:02 PM

Just as a warning, I don't want this turning into the political rant thread all over again.

I realize it isn't now, but for future reference.

[MERIT] 12-08-2006 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 309481)
Just as a warning, I don't want this turning into the political rant thread all over again.

I realize it isn't now, but for future reference.

If they ask, I must tell :\

Raine 12-08-2006 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 309480)
and youre a diest? I believe what god says. I know that he will never put more on me than I can handle, and even if I think he does, I know I can pray for help and he will help me through it.

I find some truth in diestic concepts.

Maybe it's because of these beliefs, maybe how I was raised, i dunno, but I do know prayer never helped me a damn bit.

[MERIT] 12-08-2006 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Raine (Post 309483)
I find some truth in diestic concepts.

Maybe it's because of these beliefs, maybe how I was raised, i dunno, but I do know prayer never helped me a damn bit.

Im a christian, but as far as ethics ive found that I personally have many utalitarian views on life. I am however interested in swim's nihilistic views. Swim, do you not believe in religion im guessing?

swim 12-08-2006 10:11 PM

I edited my post but sadly it's on the other page. I explained my nihilist views.
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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow (Post 309476)
My logic behind my nihilsim is quite complex but I'll try to consise. In biology there's thing with plants reactions to light and touch it's called tropism. I believe that humans and animals are the same way. We are born with a certain amount of what we can be, genetics, and we are placed into an environment that shapes us. Both of which we are helpless too. So, taking another basic theory that for every action there is a rection. Applying that to people is saying that by taking the infinite number of variables the outcome of what we think is inevidible and I as a cell have no control over it. I am merely a witness, passerby who by no means exists.

I guess I skipped the question, lol, I thought nihilism was really dumb for a long time but I've found the more I know the more it makes sense.

What do you mean believe in religion?

"I don't believe in religion, show me some kind of miracle religion exists." Nate:"Uh, there's a bible" "Oh I guess I'll have to reasses my life"
-metalocopyse **** spelling!1

sleepy jack 12-08-2006 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 309484)
Im a christian, but as far as ethics ive found that I personally have many totalitarian views on life.

Are you saying you're a fascist?

Raine 12-08-2006 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 309486)
Are you saying you're a fascist?

oddly enough that was his result on the political specturm type quiz

[MERIT] 12-08-2006 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 309486)
Are you saying you're a fascist?

funny you should say that, Raine posted a politics test in the politics thread and thats what it came out as for me. I wouldnt say im a fascist per say, but I tend to look at the big picture and doing whats best for the whole.

Raine 12-08-2006 10:14 PM

^ beat ya to it

sleepy jack 12-08-2006 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 309488)
funny you should say that, Raine posted a politics test in the politics thread and thats what it came out as for me. I wouldnt say im a fascist per say, but I tend to look at the big picture and doing whats best for the whole.

Woh woh did you just admit to being a fascist?

[MERIT] 12-08-2006 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 309490)
Woh woh did you just admit to being a fascist?

a bit I suppose. nothing wrong with that.



btw, I remember reading this before. Tell me our government isnt Fascist:laughing:
http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm


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