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^ It's probably legal in Texas to have a concealed weapon, I know it is in some states.
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You cant blam all of america for that. i myself am very aware of other countries. |
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The Declaration of Indendence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"...."appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions" I don't wanna talk about Vietnam. Quote:
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On the guns for instance, yes there are exceptions with hunting permits, but without going into rare circumstances the guy, who was over 21 years of age, did not know that even other American states were not allowed to have unregistered weapons in their homes, never mind the rest of the world. I just found that scary. And the whole spirit of the thread is pretty broad, surely? I don't hate everything about America nor do I hate everyone in it. |
Acts like the rest of the world doesn't exist.
That's a broad ass statement. Like I don't think they help us? Like I don't believe in the map? That statement is not specific at all. And no, you don't have to have a hunting permit to have a gun. That is incorrect. Guns can easily be purchased at your local wal-mart, given a month or so to do paperwork etc. |
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You are an idiot if you think you can't get a gun at wal-mart.
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Are we talking about the same country here?
I think in most states, you are allowed to have a concealed weapon, assuming you pass the state's background check (refer to Conceal- Carry laws in your state). And yes, they do sell hunting rifles and shotguns at Wal mart. Go to the nearest one to verify (please don't buy anything however, cause Walmart needs to go to hell). And yes, it is illegal to have unregistered guns. From what I'm reading, both of you are right, but where's the disagreeing point again? But yeah, the original statement "guns are illegal" is not true, because it is too broad. |
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So really the English should now be known as Lemonys. PS some people never eat an orange, lemon lime etc (or their juice) and wonder why they get colds, flu and even cancer in later life. Take a tip from Captain Cook of the British Navy. Eat or juice a citrus fruit today ! |
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Jeez.. exactly what I said, Americans can be so ignorant of the rest of the world. You're the idiot if you think I can walk into my local wal-mart and get a gun. If I went down there right now and started talking about guns, I'm pretty damn sure the police would be called and I'd probably be searched and/or taken away for questioning. And no, the police officers wouldn't have guns either. There's a whole world exists outside America you know. |
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And please don't take my statement too literally.. I'm quite confident Americans are all familiar with maps. :) |
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^ Yeah I can totally see what you mean. Almost everyone is well aware of what goes on in America, its always on tv. Mind you I heard when that Tsnunami disaster occurred, CNN spent an hour, (It was at least that, i forget) at the start talking about all the American casualties, whereas every other European channel concentrated on the full story, and the destruction and loss caused to all nations. Anyway, thats another way to illustrate my initial broad statement, but to continue with the original...
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Did you really not know that Wal-mart doesn't sell guns in most other countries? And your point about marijuiana is unfair, because Amsterdam is in a very small minority in having it legalised, whereas it is illegal in most other parts of the world. That's what I'm trying to say, I think Americans should be aware of the bigger picture, about the state of affairs throughout the world. Not everyone can know every niche law in every other country, but to be a fully grown adult living in Amsterdam and not to realise marijuana is illegal pretty much everywhere else in the world would actually be pretty ignorant in my opinion. There's more to see than what goes on in your own back garden. |
I love it how if someone doesn't know one thing then all of a sudden he/she is ignorant. To me, admitting that you are wrong is something more powerful than intelligence.
Anywho, if I had known Sweet Jane was not from the US, that woulda initially made more sense. So I have to ask, what was your point in arguing about the Wal Mart thing again? Why would you disagree with Alejo, considering he lives in the US. We were on the subject of American Wal Marts btw, I thought that was obvious. On the issue of marijuana, you might want to be careful how you address its status as "illegal" in certain places, because in fact, many places it is "decriminalized"- you should look into that. I simply don't agree that Americans are any more "ignorant" (there's that word again) than the rest of the world. The average person knows just as much about his country's laws as he does any other country's laws. In real life situations, most people are not even fully aware of their rights. But, let's say that Americans don't know about other country's laws. Does it matter? If anything, we should focus on America's lack of understanding for other country's cultural, political, and historical backgrounds. Even then, does it matter? Without living here, do you think a foreigner can fully grasp the nature of America's culture through what they see through media? In other words, aren't we all just as bad, regardless of what country we happen to inhabit? |
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And its not just one thing that makes a nation ignorant.. my orginal point about ignorance still stands wether about guns or not, I was using that as an example to illustrate my point as one of you asked me to, because my original statement was too broad to discuss. No-one specifed that Alejo was talking about American wal-marts... he/she (sorry!) said 'if you think you can't get a gun from wal-mart you are an idiot.' Nothing about America was mentioned, and seeing as my orginal sentence was about meeting an American guy that didn't know guns were pretty much illegal in most of the world, I thought we were talking about the rest of the world. And nothing wrong with using the term 'illegal' because 'decriminalised' does not mean it is legal, and you can still be fined and given a custodial sentence and a criminal record for having even small amounts of cannabis most places. Adding 'de' to the world criminal doesn't mean its not criminal, anymore than 'demoted' means you've lost your job... it just means the positioning isn't as high up. Okay I'll be quiet now unless someone has anything else to add to my points... I don't think we're going to agree on it, and I've said all I originally wanted to say, I don't want to argue with specific people over it. |
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But from your original message, you stated that a Texan did not know guns were illegal. Think about that, the common person thinks that you are talking about guns being illegal around the Texan. |
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yeah thats right, decriminilization means exactly that, if found with substance on you then they give you a citation, which is far less than an actual criminal charge. You dont serve any jail time and it doesnt go on any criminal record. Here in Arizona it is still a Zero Tollerance State, in other words, even a seed can land you in jail with drug charges going on your criminal record. Most states that marijuana has been decriminalized in only allow up to a certain amount, usually an ounce or two, anything over that will still get you in trouble.
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A perfect travel size.
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i agree, an ounce lasts me from one payday till the next, then its time to re-up again. But I try not to travel with it for obvious reasons..aka Sherriff Joe Arpaio
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My state has not decriminalized marijuana, but my city has, and the max charge for the first offense is $250 including court costs. Im not sure if this is the national figure, but I think they draw the line at 35 grams (ounce & quarter).
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250 bucks is alot of cash, but it beats a week in tent city anyday
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How often do you get paid? That much a month and I'd never get to work!
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Oh no. I know some did. People go crazy. I misunderstood. |
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America was not founded on religious beliefs but rather greatly influenced by them. Patrick Henry, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington and many others where devout Christians. I never said the Vietnam War was a good thing. I was saying it could have been a lot worse had something not been done about it. Your idea of the National Socialist Party is quite wrong. the Nazi party was not begun by Hitler, was disbanded by the government twice and captured almost a third of the German parlement in its first standing election. Hitler if anything was depressed because of his mother's death and his percieved cowardice of the German generals during WWI. The comment was not ludicris because situations like exist all over Africa and Asia. Dreams never solved anything. Don't put so much faith in Utopia. Work to make things better now instead of complaining. I seriously hope you were joking about the fat kid comment. While America does have the highest obesity rate in the world, we also have a much higher poulation that Australia and almost all the European counties. |
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People hate freedom because it removes them from a position of power. If the Middle East had fee elections, do you think that they would elect Saddam Huissen? Osama Bin Laden? Some might vote for them yes. We have people voting for Lyndon LaRouge in this country. But the overwhelming majority would not vote for them. We take free speech and press and religion for granted...kinda sad. |
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[QUOTE=IamAlejo]But when asked a question, wouldn't you first think it was in your own circumstances, your own situation, and not what is exactly "correct" for the rest of the world. What is around you is what you know best.
I half agree wit ur comment but in todays society we are so multicultural that we have to accept and recognise other peoples cultures also with business being done on such a global level we cant be oblivious to other countries laws and practices. |
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sarcasm my good man. i am saying something like obeseity cannot be blamed on one country or even dorporations. our lifestyle in the western world has become so easy that for entertainment kids dont have to do anything. they can sit and play videogames or any ****. we are becoming fat because ourlives are so easy. everything is done for us. i am not so stupid as to even attempt to blame anyone for such problems. |
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I never said the Vietnam War was a good thing. I was saying it could have been a lot worse had something not been done about it. what did america do about it? they didnt end it. america lsot the war and left. im not having a go at america but they did nothing for it. Your idea of the National Socialist Party is quite wrong. the Nazi party was not begun by Hitler, was disbanded by the government twice and captured almost a third of the German parlement in its first standing election. Hitler if anything was depressed because of his mother's death and his percieved cowardice of the German generals during WWI. The comment was not ludicris because situations like exist all over Africa and Asia. you misunderstand. i meant hitlers involvement in the nazi party. ill put that down to late nights, many coffees on my part. Dreams never solved anything. Don't put so much faith in Utopia. Work to make things better now instead of complaining. i was not complaining. i was putting forth what i believe we should work for. as i said, it would never happen, but it is something worth working towards, which is exactly what you just said. so i guess we agree on this. |
[QUOTE=IamAlejo]I see what you mean...but with the money we pour into these economies, are you to say that the politics in that country do not effect the economy? I have a hard time believing that. A lot of money we use helps supporting other countries militaries. When we need help in a military event, we often ask for help from these countries. Etc, etc. While I don't think it is a "We did this for you, you are in eternal debt" deal, I do believe that a country with as large of a national debt as we have, the amount of aid we give out, we want/get something in return. The "giving aid to further them in debt" part I do not understand though. Most of the money we give out...is just that, "given out". While we ask for favors in return, we don't ask for the money in return with compounded interest.
much of what is labelled "aid" is actually a loan. these loans are given out by numerous countries, not only america, that have a more negative effect on the country. on face value, sure it looks like an extremely humane gesture and the countries media will eat that up. but the interest on such loans is so high that if used as intended, the country would attempt to build humanitarian services for their citizens, they would have no chance of repaying the debt. and as time rolls on, as inevitably it does-or so im told, the interest gets larger and larger and the countries best chance to look after its people is initially to eliminate the debt so they can start from square one, build up their economy and such and then look to improve the citizens way of life. so while most countries look only at the immediate future with the money, it has an intense deprative effect moreso than positive. i am not talking about aid given in times of dier need such as in the tsunami effected areas, so nobody bother bringing that up. many 3rd world countries are in this situation, and many from loans after ww1 and 2. also, my apologies for multiple successive posts. i kept finding other points to write about. |
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