The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (country, house, single, American)

jibber · 06-07-2004, 04:49 PM

Alejo, I wasn't saying that the government wasn't already spending money on social programs and education. I was merely stating how untrue your statement was when you said "anyone who wants be be educated can be." having said that, think about how much good it would do if the government hadn't gone to iraq. Think about how that money could have been spent. Maybe improving Bush's "no child left behind" prgram, which is a f***ing joke. More money spent on health care facilities, better housing in urban areas, you name it. There are countless other programs that need more money than they are currently receiving, but they are being ignored because of all the money tied up in the war. That's what my point was.

~~Sharky~~ · 06-07-2004, 04:55 PM

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Alejo, I wasn't saying that the government wasn't already spending money on social programs and education. I was merely stating how untrue your statement was when you said "anyone who wants be be educated can be." having said that, think about how much good it would do if the government hadn't gone to iraq. Think about how that money could have been spent. Maybe improving Bush's "no child left behind" prgram, which is a f***ing joke. More money spent on health care facilities, better housing in urban areas, you name it. There are countless other programs that need more money than they are currently receiving, but they are being ignored because of all the money tied up in the war. That's what my point was.

Hmm, I think you should read through my post. We have much in common.

jibber · 06-07-2004, 05:03 PM

^ I just read though it, and I'd like to make a few other points. Alejo, you're statements on the education system show how closed you are to the outside world. By that I mean you clearly aren't in tune to the challenges that face hundreds and thousdands of people in your country, and all around the world. Maybe do some volunteer work with kids in inner city areas, trust me, you will be shocked at how little these people have. After that maybe you will realize how difficult it is for them to make a better lives for themselves. Night school costs money, that they don't have. Scholarships are extremely difficult to get, as is financial aid. Student loans are even harder, because if you don't have a good credit rating, forget it. One more thing, I find it funny that you are commenting on how muh taxes YOU pay, I seriously doubt that any of your mony is going to the government, seeing as how you are still too young to vote. A more accurate statement would be that your parents don't pay much.

~~Sharky~~ · 06-07-2004, 05:21 PM

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^ I just read though it, and I'd like to make a few other points. Alejo, you're statements on the education system show how closed you are to the outside world. By that I mean you clearly aren't in tune to the challenges that face hundreds and thousdands of people in your country, and all around the world. Maybe do some volunteer work with kids in inner city areas, trust me, you will be shocked at how little these people have. After that maybe you will realize how difficult it is for them to make a better lives for themselves. Night school costs money, that they don't have. Scholarships are extremely difficult to get, as is financial aid. Student loans are even harder, because if you don't have a good credit rating, forget it. One more thing, I find it funny that you are commenting on how muh taxes YOU pay, I seriously doubt that any of your mony is going to the government, seeing as how you are still too young to vote. A more accurate statement would be that your parents don't pay much.

Good point.

I had to be moved from foster parents to foster parents until I got a place at a school. This mean't (alongside an hour of crying each day) that I had to move every month for 5 months. That was just not fun, the current system is such a shambles.

IamAlejo · 06-09-2004, 03:53 PM

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Maybe do some volunteer work with kids in inner city areas

I live next to Portsmouth and my high school has done a lot of volunteering over there. But once again, thanks for telling me how inner cities in the country I live in are. [end sarcasm] Education is even available in Richmond, basically a slum. It's the desire to get education that isn't there. Kids think they can fly by with out it, and don't strive for that education. Then when they grow up they act like leaches and want the government to give them everything.

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You changed your post because you realised that you're a dumb **** that doesn't do his research before he opens his big wide mouth.

I changed my post within 5 minutes of posting it. I made my post, and then figured I'd go checkin through the website. Once I noticed the information, I changed it. I bet you looked at every single word on that site, maybe we'll give quizzes.

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The majority of us here probably aren't even old enough to vote. I'm not. But I will when I am old enough.

That explains your ignorance.

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It's the entire cost of war. Bombs, ships, tanks, missles, ammo, men, food, diesel, water, aviation fuel, uranium rods, grenades, clothing, armor, nightvision, power generators, trucks, maintenance, explosives, etc. etc. etc.

Wow numbnuts, you are on a roll. If you cared to read my post, I asked if it was in addition to normal military spending or added on to what we normally spend. We already spend for rations, missiles, men, ammo, ship repairs, bombs, etc. each year. I'm guessing the total is combined to normal military spending.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the taxes are based on how well off you are - so that the poor don't pay as much in taxes as the wealthy. So what you are actually insinuating here (intended or not) is that we're probably poor.

Well I wasn't, but you can take it that way if you want. I'm saying that YOU, not your parents, probably don't pay any taxes. And if you do, it's not much. Taxes are based on your income, which seems to make sense when President Bush wants to give the upper majority a tax cut, since they pay more taxes than everyone else. (stats show top 5% of wealthy people pay 90% of US taxes)

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It's not what he's done, it's what he hasn't done that bush has, and what he doesn't like about bush that we don't like. We feel solidarity with the guy because he considers Bush to be a total moron.

I never heard him say he considers Bush to be a moron. And voting in someone who you know very little about isn't very smart is it? But I guess you probably know tons of stuff about him.

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I don't see what's wrong with the government giving money to parents that cannot leave home to go to work but need the money to support themselves. It's known as childcare benefits and it's already in existance.

It encourages parents to take the most time available after a pregnancy. I can understand a mom staying at home with a newborn for a year. But when the time comes, you have to get a job. Get a babysitter if you must. America was founded on opportunity, and it seems like nowadays, most people don't even look for the opportunity. They want the government to do everything for them. There is a lot with paying parents money to stay at home.

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Yes because there is not enough being spent on it. They could do the job they need to if more money was put into it, and this is what people do not realise. Simply pumping some random figure into a goverment sector or independant research foundation is not good enough, the goverment need to meet their demands for funding.

So if there was an increase in taxes, based on the lower to middle classes (since they pay the least income tax and most likely property tax) that resulted in the increase of funding to these research projects, would you complain? Probably, and that's why they don't get funded. People want them to be funded, but don't want to spend the cash.

It's amazing how you people know so much about public education in our schools. If people truly wanted educations and our public schools "suck" as you make them out to be, why not take out a loan and get private education. Probably because people leach on the government for everything. Public schools are not ONLY funded by national gov't...but also by the state government, yet I don't hear anybody complaining that their GOVERNOR or SENATOR is a problem. Trying to direct blame on someone for a certain reason?

Pimp_racer · 06-09-2004, 04:50 PM

I got the other retarded bush as my state senator

IamAlejo · 06-09-2004, 07:39 PM

You also live in a state full of retarded people who don't know how to use a ballot.

Pimp_racer · 06-09-2004, 07:58 PM

so lol tahts cuz we have so many damn old ppl

~~Sharky~~ · 06-09-2004, 08:19 PM

This will be fun. I'm gunna quote you to death.

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