The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (alternative, house, quotes, song)

[holdyoualways]

Originally Posted by IamAlejo

Relgiously I'm against Abortion, but I think the positives of it out do the negatives (even though I personally think it's wrong).
Abortions could defenitely help out the younger population, especially in cases of rape, or more importantly younger teens who get pregnant and a majority of the time ARE NOT ready to handle the kid. The kid gets raised up in a ****ty lifestyle and then the cycle seems to always repeat itself. It lets the parent decide on their own whether they deem themself ready or not, and could probably help society in a majority of ways.

ahh i forgot to mention that in my post. i am also religiously against abortions. & as for the teenagers getting pregnant, (this is gonna sound incredibly insensitive) if theyre stupid enough to go out and have sex without protection and get knocked up then they deserve to know what the consequences are for that. but thats just me.

[adidasss]

Originally Posted by franscar

No, it isn't making sense. What is the point of bringing more and more children into this already overcrowded world when the parents by their own admission are not capable of bringing them up correctly? There's already plenty of kids commiting suicide because of depression, alienation, poor upbringings and a lack of emotional connection with the people around them.

I can't understand how you can give so little weight to the thoughts and needs of the two people with the biggest responsibility to any child born into this world. And on your point about money, well lets put it like this. You never see your parents because they are always working to scrape together enough money to feed you, clothe you, and bring you toys. You think you'd be happy without that relationship?

Don't worry, you can't make me feel worse for the decision we made, because we both knew at the time it was the right decision to take. I just take issue with the use of the word selfish, especially when it isn't backed up with anything more productive than "you might not have been poor forever". The reality when you're in the situation is a lot more serious than to be clouded by might be's what if's and maybes not's.

I'm not even going to get into a debate as to the "life" of a foetus, because it will end up being bogged down in theocracy and I have no toleration for religious agendas.

it's like you don't understand what i'm saying and yet your statements confirm it, you put your own needs before the needs of the child, that's a fact, claiming that the child would not have been happy or that you would have screwd up it's life is a bullshit excuse. there are plenty of ways to ensure that the woman is not going to get pregnant, shit happens, but my opinion is that you should be a grown up and own that shit when it does happen, not run away from your responsability....sex is taken way too lightly, if you're old enough to have sex, you're old enough to deal with the consequences. YOU had sex, and yet another creature is paying for it with it's own life because YOU decided you couldn't deal with it. that my friend, is why i call it the ultimate selfish act.

my friends father is an abusive alchoholic, my father is an asshole who abuses me and my family physically and mentaly, do i or my friend whish we hadn't been born? do we wish our mothers decided to have an aborsion because we would have been better off dead? hell no, i thank god for evey breath i take....good or bad, life is a gift, once it's been created we don't have the right to end it. especially because of such a bullshit reason as " oh, we're too young, we're not ready"...

as for the question of when life begins, i don't think there's a person in this world that can deny that life begins in the moment of conception. everything else, saying that life begins in this or that week of pregnancy, is bullshit and arbitrary, if it's growning and developing , it's life....

[IamAlejo]

Originally Posted by holdyoualways

ahh i forgot to mention that in my post. i am also religiously against abortions. & as for the teenagers getting pregnant, (this is gonna sound incredibly insensitive) if theyre stupid enough to go out and have sex without protection and get knocked up then they deserve to know what the consequences are for that. but thats just me.

But what about the kid that is gonna get raised in a household with a mother that doesn't want him and probably can barely support him?

[inside_out]

Originally Posted by hookers with machineguns

^ Geee you think smart guy? That's why I put it in quotes and said Behind Enemy Lines "Her Body Her Decision" is where the quote was from. I don't agree with everything in the song. I just hate you, and decided to post it to ruin your ambitions and dreams of tomorrow, Mr. Rhodes scholar.

I fail to see how a song you posted on the internet would ruin my dreams and ambitions.

Originally Posted by adidasss

life is a gift, once it's been created we don't have the right to end it.

I agree with this..

[adidasss]

Originally Posted by IamAlejo

But what about the kid that is gonna get raised in a household with a mother that doesn't want him and probably can barely support him?

well i say that stupid bitch should get a vasectomy and if she does get pregnant and get's an abortion, she should burn in hell for being a stupid selfish cunt......you can't support it? don't want it? give it up for adoption and give it at least a remote chance of being happy...

[hookers with machineguns]

Originally Posted by adidasss

as for the question of when life begins, i don't think there's a person in this world that can deny that life begins in the moment of conception. everything else, saying that life begins in this or that week of pregnancy, is bullshit and arbitrary, if it's growning and developing , it's life....

I could go as far as to say that a single sperm is the beginning of life, or perhaps a woman's egg. So yes, everytime I masturbate, I am taking a life.

Well I'm pretty indecisive when it comes to these kinds of topics, so I'm pretty much going to conclude that like the death penalty issue, it's really a subjective thing.

I'm curious though what some of you think of embryonic or adult stem cells. That is one topic I can definitely say I am all for.

[adidasss]

Originally Posted by hookers with machineguns

I could go as far as to say that a single sperm is the beginning of life, or perhaps a woman's egg. So yes, everytime I masturbate, I am taking a life.

actually no you couldn't, a human life is created when the sperm inseminates the egg cell....and that's that....

[holdyoualways]

Originally Posted by IamAlejo

But what about the kid that is gonna get raised in a household with a mother that doesn't want him and probably can barely support him?

...those. are. the. consequences. i mean if you know that if you have unprotected sex there is a high liklihood of you getting pregnant yet you do it anyway out of your own ignoranace, then you should know what its like to have to raise a baby when youre just a teenager. if you really dont want it, put it up for adoption.

[TheBig3]

in the book Freakonomics they say that since abortion was made legal there has been a lower crime rate.

I don't want people to go out and commit baby genocide, but why let a child grow up in a house with no love or support. People always look at the parents and say "oh well deal with it" but if you look at the children, that line of thinking of insane and heartless.

Children that grow up, malnourished, undereducated, unloved, and unsupervised, you are just creating dilenquints for your children to deal with, and your childrens children.

On a mildly related note, residing on one side because of religeon makes me want to punch people. Im religeous, but you have to take everything into consideration, and you can't consider parables fact.

I have a friend who voted for bush in '04 because she voted with her morals (abortion) and I think today, Katrina and Iraq equate to far more deaths than the abortion rate since he's taken office. Don't let someone put the fear of hell into you so you make stupid decisions.

[IamAlejo]

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

I have a friend who voted for bush in '04 because she voted with her morals (abortion) and I think today, Katrina and Iraq equate to far more deaths than the abortion rate since he's taken office. Don't let someone put the fear of hell into you so you make stupid decisions.

I'd take that bet. I'd almost gurantee there have been more abortions than deaths in Iraq/Katrina.