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_Spinning_ · 11-23-2006, 06:36 PM

All these things you're citing are merely other people's opinions.

Just because they're educated, doesn't mean their word is law.

~~hiu~~ · 11-23-2006, 06:37 PM

Look, this guy is just using the Marxist-ish theorem on power. Personally I disagree with the whole idea.

swim · 11-23-2006, 06:37 PM

Dude, that just said doing nothing to stop racial struggle is racist, common.

~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ · 11-23-2006, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Definition of Racism, Women's Theological Center, Boston, MA

A situation in which one race maintains supremacy over another race through a set of attitudes, behaviors, social structures and ideologies. It involves four essential and interconnected elements:

Power: the capacity to make and enforce decisions is disproportionately or unfairly distributed

Resources: unequal access to such resources as money, education, information, etc.

Standards: standards for appropriate behavior are ethnocentric, reflecting and privileging the norms and values of the dominant race/society

Problem: involves defining "reality" by naming "the problem" incorrectly, and thus misplacing it.

Just another.

Merkaba · 11-23-2006, 06:39 PM

Racism is a universal term, anyone has the power to discriminate, and any form of race discrimination, is racism.

It's that simple.

~~hiu~~ · 11-23-2006, 06:39 PM

Look, I can go into google and type in racism and power and find just as many sources disagreeing with the sources you are posting.

~~RHYMEFESTkillah~~ · 11-23-2006, 06:40 PM

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All these things you're citing are merely other people's opinions.

Just because they're educated, doesn't mean their word is law.

But you, a person who isn't educated (in the subject and at least not to the level of these people) word is law?
Maybe it is opinion, but your opinion is not undisputed either.

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Racism is a universal term, anyone has the power to discriminate, and any form of race discrimination, is racism.

It's that simple.

See, that is where you are wrong. Not all forms of racial discrimination are racism, simply because those non-white do not exercise their discrimination with power behind them. We are talking about institutionalized racism.

By the way, hiu, if you can find me a source that says explicitly "racism does not need power behind it to differentiate from prejudice/discrimination" then I'll accpet your opinion. You just need to realize that because YOUR opinion is different from mine, doesn't make it any less undisputed.

Look, I even found ONE website that says "racism = prejudice + power is an inadequate definition" HOWEVER, it notes specifically.

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Granted, power is necessary for racism on an institutional level

Which is exactly what I have been saying.

_Spinning_ · 11-23-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RHYMEFESTkillah

But you, a person who isn't educated (in the subject and at least not to the level of these people) word is law?
Maybe it is opinion, but your opinion is not undisputed either.

Not once did I state that my word is law. (At least not in this conversation)

I simply said that your sources are opinionated and not fact.
I once wrote a story saying I was a Millionare with a Bright Green Rolls Royce.

Merkaba · 11-23-2006, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RHYMEFESTkillah

We are talking about institutionalized racism.

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What the hell is that?

I'm talking sheer racism, no frills, no small print, just plain as day racism. You know, the type people generally refer to as the proper meaning of "racism".

jibber · 11-23-2006, 06:46 PM

Personally, I think you're view on the subject is incredibly narrowminded. By saying only white's are able to be racist, you're downplaying the problem. Any person who acts or speaks in a violent and discriminatory nature to another person based on their race is racist, and is acting in a racist fashion. In a way, that argument is perpetuating the myth of white supremecy, by implying that only white people would have the power to antagonize another race. Racism can be expressed by anyone, and by confining it to one race it takes focus away from the real problem.

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~~hiu~~ Account Disabled Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,093	Look, this guy is just using the Marxist-ish theorem on power. Personally I disagree with the whole idea.

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~~hiu~~ Account Disabled Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,093	Look, I can go into google and type in racism and power and find just as many sources disagreeing with the sources you are posting.