DontRunMeOver

I know this is quite a way back in the thread, but this post in particular gave me the feeling that you've been talking about 'instiutionalised racism' and 'racism' as exactly the same thing.

Institutionalised racism is one type of racism.
All institutionalised racism is racism.
NOT all racism is institutionalised racism.

If you replaced the word 'racism' with the phrase 'instutionalised racism' in a lot of your posts, then I'd tend to agree with what you've said. As it stands, I think you're using quite a broad term within an extremely limited scope and essentially you're claiming a word means something different to what it actually means (i.e. you are wrong!)

Also, as far as institutionalised racism goes, I think its more pertinent to talk about discrimination from those with power against those without, but not necessarily by the majority against the minority. For example, during colonisation by European nations in India and Africa, the native people were the majority by far but the systems set up by the powerful colonial minority discriminated against them. That = a form of institutionalised racism.

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swim

For second I'll pretend to agree with your suggestion just for the sake of a question. If 5 people of the same different race beat me up and kill me because I'm white is that racism because in that occasion they were the majority?

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jibber

yeah i'm out. i'll accept that you're not gonna change you're argument, and we're all pretty much just repeating ourselves at this point. plus I've gotta concentrate on my job search so I can get myself out of debt.

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We've been repeating the same argument for 17 Pages.
Nothing's changed.

swim

Another question what determines majority? Your neighborhood? Your city? Your state? Your Nation?

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Excellent question.
My Neighbourhood is prodominantly "Black"
My City is Prodominantly "White"
My Country is extremely mixed.

Where's the power there?

hiu

5 5 cent pieces says you live in South Auckland.

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You'd assume that, wouldn't you....?

No, I live in The Hood of Lower Hutt.
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hiu

From my understandings of Lower Hut from what I have heard it is made up of bogans and pacific islanders.

The whole concept of racism and power based on the individual (in this case Kramer) is ridiculous because Kramer himself doesn't have power, neither does any white, black, yellow or any other colored person.

RHYMEFESTkillah

Didn't hiu ask that a few pages ago?
I'll reply just like I did for him. Look, I read everything that you guys post, and when you make a point, I either use knowledge I currently have, or research to be able to form an informed counterpoint. Anytime that I have used research and not previous knowledge to make a counterpoint, I have not only posted the article which I used but also given a direct link to the web page and usually the authors name and accreditations, simply so you can know exactly what source I am using. I READ what you post, extend the same curtesy to me, or don't argue with me. I'll post again what I posted when hiu asked me that. Not saying that this is fact since, as jibber pointed out it is in fact an opinionated paper, but it represents how I would answer the question since the opinion represented in the article represent my own opinions on racism as well.

Well, considering we have been talking about Racism in the nation of America, I'll go ahead and say nation.