The Recreational Drug Thread

[bungalow]

Originally Posted by jackhammer

To be fair Aspirin is nowhere near close to this either really. it's a product derived from natural products however diluted. Whether it works is another matter but to say LSD is less lethal than Aspirin- c'mon.

The only difference is Aspirin's addictive quality which can be applied to any drug dependent on the person.

lsd is less lethal than aspirin. what do you mean 'cmon'? that's a fact.

and lsd is derived from natural products as well--ergot.

[Freebase Dali]

There should be a distinction made here...
Are we talking about physical (not secondary, nor mental) damage to one's self? If so, LSD is definitely less dangerous than Aspirin or any other NSAID. (Which I'm allergic to, thank god.)

If some find that hard to believe, look up the physical ramifications of NSAIDs. Then look up the physical ramifications of LSD.
Quite a no-contest in that perspective.
Although, I think it's worth looking at in a different angle than simply a physical one, depending on the circumstances.

[bungalow]

i'm talking about the toxicity of lsd versus aspirin, and their respective potentials to be lethal.

[Freebase Dali]

Originally Posted by bungalow

i'm talking about the toxicity of lsd versus aspirin, and their respective potentials to be lethal.

Yea I figured that's what you meant. I was addressing the others who didn't.

[Harry]

Originally Posted by bungalow

i'm talking about the toxicity of lsd versus aspirin, and their respective potentials to be lethal.

But you can't take the toxicity and decide that makes it less dangerous. That's only one factor in many. Take one hit of LSD vs. one aspirin... wot's the ramifications? With acid, ya never know. Half the time you decide you gonna die anyways, so it isn't too far fetched that you speed up the process, or see that mate of yours 'coming towards you' and decide to beat him upside the head with a bat!

it all depends on circumstance... anything could happen. whereas you take 1 aspirin, and you're just numbed your headache for a bit. although obviously if you abuse it, bad things are bound to happen... but if you make it through, odds you'll be all right-- making it through a bad acid trip is a bit harder to deal with...

ahh its so feckin early. anyways, wot i'm trynig to get at (but barely accomplishing it) is that it's a bid dodgy when people start pulling out these chemical facts out their arse that are in actuality entirely irrelevant in the long run-- so wot if acid is less toxic than aspirin? that doesn't mean you won't be mentally disturbed for life after using. so wot if weed isn't phsyically addictive-- doesn't mean you won't obsessively use it for the next 5 years!

[Freebase Dali]

Originally Posted by Harry

But you can't take the toxicity and decide that makes it less dangerous. That's only one factor in many. Take one hit of LSD vs. one aspirin... wot's the ramifications? With acid, ya never know. Half the time you decide you gonna die anyways, so it isn't too far fetched that you speed up the process, or see that mate of yours 'coming towards you' and decide to beat him upside the head with a bat!

it all depends on circumstance... anything could happen. whereas you take 1 aspirin, and you're just numbed your headache for a bit. although obviously if you abuse it, bad things are bound to happen... but if you make it through, odds you'll be all right-- making it through a bad acid trip is a bit harder to deal with...

Um... Please explain the bolded part, because it absolutely smells like it has been pulled from an ass.
If you're speaking for an entire acid-using population, I suggest you stop, because you're embarrassingly wrong.

[Thrice]

Originally Posted by Harry

But you can't take the toxicity and decide that makes it less dangerous. That's only one factor in many. Take one hit of LSD vs. one aspirin... wot's the ramifications? With acid, ya never know. Half the time you decide you gonna die anyways, so it isn't too far fetched that you speed up the process, or see that mate of yours 'coming towards you' and decide to beat him upside the head with a bat!

it all depends on circumstance... anything could happen. whereas you take 1 aspirin, and you're just numbed your headache for a bit. although obviously if you abuse it, bad things are bound to happen... but if you make it through, odds you'll be all right-- making it through a bad acid trip is a bit harder to deal with...

ahh its so feckin early. anyways, wot i'm trynig to get at (but barely accomplishing it) is that it's a bid dodgy when people start pulling out these chemical facts out their arse that are in actuality entirely irrelevant in the long run-- so wot if acid is less toxic than aspirin? that doesn't mean you won't be mentally disturbed for life after using. so wot if weed isn't phsyically addictive-- doesn't mean you won't obsessively use it for the next 5 years!

There is no validity to any of these statements. Someone who abuses weed has issues that are completely unrelated to the drug itself, or this statement can be discredited via the medical path, which is a dead horse that has already been beat to death. Most 'chemical facts' brought up in this forum are always challenged accordingly, and most posters have the knowledge to dismiss outrageous claims. Many take the time to provide factual evidence supporting their claim and logical discussion quickly follows. It is up to you which you take with a grain of salt and vice versa.

[adidasss]

Funny thing happened that I didn't know about until a few weeks ago (happened to a friend) and never happened to me before until last night. I drank about half a glass of vodka-juice and smoked about 3 tokes of weed. So I wouldn't say I was drunk or very high...everything was cool, I was smoking a cigarette and talking to a friend until suddenly i started feeling bad so I rushed to the bathroom to chill out and couldn't even get there. My legs buckled and I just huddled down on the floor and essentially passed out, blackout and cold sweat and everything. I just stood there for about 5 minutes and then it passed and I was fine again, not high, not drunk, just fine....

Fucking. Weird.

[debaserr]

Originally Posted by adidasss

Funny thing happened that I didn't know about until a few weeks ago (happened to a friend) and never happened to me before until last night. I drank about half a glass of vodka-juice and smoked about 3 tokes of weed. So I wouldn't say I was drunk or very high...everything was cool, I was smoking a cigarette and talking to a friend until suddenly i started feeling bad so I rushed to the bathroom to chill out and couldn't even get there. My legs buckled and I just huddled down on the floor and essentially passed out, blackout and cold sweat and everything. I just stood there for about 5 minutes and then it passed and I was fine again, not high, not drunk, just fine....

Fucking. Weird.

never heard of this happening to anyone i know. maybe its a mental thing.

[Harry]

Alright I posted that at 5 in the morn give me a break... But how is there no evidence of that? You've never heard of anyone being psychologically disturbed after using acid? Bloke, I suggest you be a big less biased in your next drug research bonanza... And I stand by me statement that regardless of chemistry or wot, it is still dangerous as any.