A question to vegetarians

chipper · 06-07-2011, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

do animals even feel pain in the human sense?

that's what I like to know

where are you going with this?

~~The Virgin~~ · 06-07-2011, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Paloma

You said it goes against the bible, apparently.

Sooo make up your ****ing mind

not anything that is against the Bible is immoral.
for instance, they say eating shrimp is a sin but it's actually not.
i mean, it's for human consumption for crying out loud.
anything that's for human food is ok no matter what it is, be it an animal or anything.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 06-07-2011, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin

not anything that is against the Bible is immoral.
for instance, they say eating shrimp is a sin but it's actually not.
i mean, it's for human consumption for crying out loud.
anything that's for human food is ok no matter what it is, be it an animal or anything.

Then that would make it okay for me not to eat meat, wouldn't it.

By your IRREFUTABLE LOGIC

Guybrush · 06-07-2011, 07:29 AM

The Virgin, if the intention of an edible animal like a deer for example is to be our food, then why are they generally so eager to escape the hunter? Why don't they just come running to us when we're hungry?

Howard the Duck · 06-07-2011, 07:32 AM

because:-

Guybrush · 06-07-2011, 07:42 AM

There are cases where animals more or less do offer themselves up as food for others, for example in cases of sexual cannibalism, perhaps most famously demonstrated by some species of praying mantis. So, such behaviours do exist in nature and so if the point of animals is to be our food, why don't they offer themselves to us? If God created animals and that their function really is to be eaten by us, I believe they should behave accordingly and not try to get away when we want to eat them.

For a deer to run away from a starving hunter is like the deer defying God's intention after all. Is it a sin for a deer to run?

Howard the Duck · 06-07-2011, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

There are cases where animals more or less do offer themselves up as food for others, for example in cases of sexual cannibalism, perhaps most famously demonstrated by some species of praying mantis. So, such behaviours do exist in nature and so if the point of animals is to be our food, why don't they offer themselves to us? If God created animals and that their function really is to be eaten by us, I believe they should behave accordingly and not try to get away when we want to eat them.

For a deer to run away from a starving hunter is like the deer defying God's intention after all. Is it a sin for a deer to run?

i'm just saying it's a predator-prey instinct - self-preservation and such

if a deer was sapient and understood God, it would sacrifice itself to the hunter willingly

but I digress - I'm just trolling here

just following the Virgin's footsteps

Guybrush · 06-07-2011, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

i'm just saying it's a predator-prey instinct - self-preservation and such

That's why I mentioned sexual cannibalism, to demonstrate that self-preservation is not always a priority .. clearly there are times when certain animals "feel" it's okay to be eaten, so why not deers and so on?

Howard the Duck · 06-07-2011, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

That's why I mentioned sexual cannibalism, to demonstrate that self-preservation is not always a priority .. clearly there are times when certain animals "feel" it's okay to be eaten, so why not deers and so on?

that only happens to insects

i have read before that some animals suffer from depression and commit suicide

maybe a depressed deer might run directly into a hunter's scope

Guybrush · 06-07-2011, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

that only happens to insects

As a biologist, I have to correct here .. What you probably mean is that it only happens to arthropods. Spiders and scorpions for example are not insects!

But that observation still doesn't explain why God didn't just make it easier if he/she/it intended them to be et in the first place.

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Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	The Virgin, if the intention of an edible animal like a deer for example is to be our food, then why are they generally so eager to escape the hunter? Why don't they just come running to us when we're hungry? __________________ Something Completely Different

06-07-2011, 07:42 AM	#276 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	There are cases where animals more or less do offer themselves up as food for others, for example in cases of sexual cannibalism, perhaps most famously demonstrated by some species of praying mantis. So, such behaviours do exist in nature and so if the point of animals is to be our food, why don't they offer themselves to us? If God created animals and that their function really is to be eaten by us, I believe they should behave accordingly and not try to get away when we want to eat them. For a deer to run away from a starving hunter is like the deer defying God's intention after all. Is it a sin for a deer to run? __________________ Something Completely Different