A question to vegetarians

~~The Virgin~~ · 06-13-2011, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla

^ Sounds like a Missy Elliot song.

nope. in fact, here in my hometown, there are a lot of exotic dishes served here.
for instance, fried frogs, the one above which is sauted goats, fertilized duck egg, stewed turtle, siopao made of cat meat and sauted dogs among many others. though the last dish is now extinct because of the current Philippine bill that disallows the cooking of dogs or any domestic pets.

The Batlord · 06-13-2011, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla

^ Sounds like a Missy Elliot song.

Sounds like a Burzum song.

Burning Down · 06-13-2011, 10:15 AM

She was making a joke FFS.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 06-13-2011, 10:21 AM

Goat cheese is pretty good imo

Paedantic Basterd · 06-13-2011, 10:42 AM

I've recently heard that (and forgive my complete and utter lack of resources for this information, but it's the idea I wanted to bring up) scientists have been using animal stem cells to grow muscle independent of an animal for use as meat product.

Basically, what's the general feeling about eating grown meat, and is this a foreseeable to combat animal cruelty?

~~The Virgin~~ · 06-13-2011, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

scientists have been using animal stem cells to grow muscle independent of an animal for use as meat product.

yuck. this sounds gross. i love me some meat but to eat cells that scientists invented? no way.

i can eat a meat but not a cell. no, never.

Mykonos · 06-13-2011, 01:26 PM

I can't really claim to be an expert on meat eating habits, but I'd see grown meat as the same thing as GM crops. If the people growing it know exactly what they're doing and make sure to grow it to the same standards as normal meat, ensuring that there are no drawbacks or dangers whatsoever, then it's really the same as normal meat. It might also lessen the damage that crops are doing to developing countries if it using other fuel sources.

Burning Down · 06-13-2011, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

I've recently heard that (and forgive my complete and utter lack of resources for this information, but it's the idea I wanted to bring up) scientists have been using animal stem cells to grow muscle independent of an animal for use as meat product.

Basically, what's the general feeling about eating grown meat, and is this a foreseeable to combat animal cruelty?

I wonder where those stem cells are coming from. Animal cord blood? Embryos? That could raise a whole other ethical and/or moral debate regarding meat eating.

VEGANGELICA · 06-14-2011, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

I suppose if they you had vegan bodybuilder (Y) and omnivore bodybuilder (A), and they had the same protein & calorie intake & exercise... yeah, they may be able to put on muscle at a similar rate.

I do know that protein dense, lean meat (tuna, chicken breast) does require the body to burn calories to process it. I don't know if a protein dense vegetarian meal would have the same effect. And, although people often say that beans & rice is a great source of protein, would the vegetarian have to use more variety of grains to have the same effects on the body?

I don't think that vegetarians would need to use more grains besides rice (with beans) to acquire the protein for putting on muscle mass, but variety is usually a good idea in any diet. As for the calories needed to process a meat meal vs. a protein dense vegetarian meal, I don't know which takes more. I have read that meat takes a longer time to digest than vegetarian protein sources.

Thanks for replying! I didn't know if you were still reading the thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

I've recently heard that (and forgive my complete and utter lack of resources for this information, but it's the idea I wanted to bring up) scientists have been using animal stem cells to grow muscle independent of an animal for use as meat product.

Basically, what's the general feeling about eating grown meat, and is this a foreseeable to combat animal cruelty?

Eating meat tissue culture would reduce the number of animals harmed by people and so would be the more ethical choice in my opinion, Pedestrian, but not the *most* ethical choice.

I agree with Tore, though, that culturing meat tissue is very expensive and will never satisfy many people's habit of eating flesh, since they just wouldn't want to (or couldn't) pay that much money.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mykonos

Have meat levels in diets been discussed yet? Throughout most of history the average human has had a mostly carbohydrate-based diet with only very small amounts of meat that weren't taken daily. It's only in recent years that meat consumption has shot up, and not only is it making people fatter, but it's damaging the planet and making energy gains far less efficient. I'm not saying eating meat is bad, but there's certainly too much being eaten.

Agreed and agreed. And meat-consumption is increasing worldwide as people (especially in China) rise out of poverty. Eventually, I predict the ballooning human population will cause the competition between people and livestock for grains to become so great that most people won't be able to consume as many animals as they do now. Roadkill and animals who die of natural causes might start looking tastier and tastier to meat-eaters!

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Almost exactly what I was thinking.

As long as the humans died of natural causes, I shouldn't see why eating people (who are animals, after all) would be an ethical concern, as long as the deceased didn't state emphatically before death, "I don't want any person to eat me!"

djchameleon · 06-14-2011, 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mykonos

Have meat levels in diets been discussed yet? Throughout most of history the average human has had a mostly carbohydrate-based diet with only very small amounts of meat that weren't taken daily. It's only in recent years that meat consumption has shot up, and not only is it making people fatter, but it's damaging the planet and making energy gains far less efficient. I'm not saying eating meat is bad, but there's certainly too much being eaten.

how recent are you talking about? Also what's making people fatter is not meat consumption alone but carbs play a big part in that and just generally unhealthy diet habits overall. I don't see how you can come to the dramatic conclusion that the planet is being damaged from this. I can understand if you tried to link deforestation to having another meat packing plant built or something along those lines. Eating too much of anything is bad for you not just meat.

Quote:

Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

I don't think that vegetarians would need to use more grains besides rice (with beans) to acquire the protein for putting on muscle mass, but variety is usually a good idea in any diet. As for the calories needed to process a meat meal vs. a protein dense vegetarian meal, I don't know which takes more. I have read that meat takes a longer time to digest than vegetarian protein sources.

Meat does take longer to digest but there is this wild theory that meat stays in your colon for years or some such non-sense. The only meat that will stay in there that long is if you go around and don't eat any fiber whatsoever.

Quote:

Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

Agreed and agreed. And meat-consumption is increasing worldwide as people (especially in China) rise out of poverty. Eventually, I predict the ballooning human population will cause the competition between people and livestock for grains to become so great that most people won't be able to consume as many animals as they do now. Roadkill and animals who die of natural causes might start looking tastier and tastier to meat-eaters!

I'm sorry but that couldn't be farther from the truth. People will continue to use up as many resources as possible til we get to the point where it's MadMax style but instead of fighting over water it will be over food in general.

That's why I'm all for wars and I tend to like when natural disasters occur but it's curbing the human population a bit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

As long as they died of natural causes, I shouldn't see why eating humans (animals, after all) would be an ethical concern, as long as the person didn't state emphatically before death, "I don't want any person to eat me."

The thing about eating humans, sure to some people there might be an ethical concern because they feel more connected to humans than they do animals. Yes, I know humans are animals but you know what I mean.

Also, I don't think there are many eatable parts to a human that are nutritious except for the liver and possibly the heart.

06-13-2011, 10:15 AM	#3 (permalink)
Burning Down The Music Guru. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Beyond the Wall Posts: 4,858	She was making a joke FFS.

06-13-2011, 10:21 AM	#4 (permalink)
~~Sansa Stark~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: The Eyrie, Vale of Arryn, Westeros Posts: 3,234	Goat cheese is pretty good imo

06-13-2011, 10:42 AM	#5 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	I've recently heard that (and forgive my complete and utter lack of resources for this information, but it's the idea I wanted to bring up) scientists have been using animal stem cells to grow muscle independent of an animal for use as meat product. Basically, what's the general feeling about eating grown meat, and is this a foreseeable to combat animal cruelty?

06-13-2011, 01:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
Mykonos AWhatup Ganache? Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 381	I can't really claim to be an expert on meat eating habits, but I'd see grown meat as the same thing as GM crops. If the people growing it know exactly what they're doing and make sure to grow it to the same standards as normal meat, ensuring that there are no drawbacks or dangers whatsoever, then it's really the same as normal meat. It might also lessen the damage that crops are doing to developing countries if it using other fuel sources.