Proud Vegan (Scavenger theory) (techno, alternative, quote, 2004)

burnmonkey · 01-19-2005, 02:09 PM

I don't have so much of an issue with killing and eating anmals as i do with the way that they're treated while theyr'e stilll alive (factory farms). Consuming dairy and other animal products seems to be more inhumane than just eating the animal itself. As it was once told to me "if meat is murder, then dairy is rape" Besides we definitely werent meant to consume cows milk

Mixin · 01-24-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hung In Rent (Molasses)

The first human's had huge canine teeth but now they are incresing smaller. Hence, we as humans no longer have the need to kill animals.

Is there anyone here that understands what I'm trying to get at?

We dont need our canines because we have guns to kill the animals and knives to cut the meat

Mixin · 01-24-2005, 04:25 PM

I'll eat meat even after all the animals are extinct. cannibalism is in the future, that is STILL healthier than not eating any meat

hookers with machineguns · 01-24-2005, 05:48 PM

^ I'll remember to stay far away from you when all animals go extinct.

ArtistInTheAmbulance · 01-25-2005, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mixin

I'll eat meat even after all the animals are extinct. cannibalism is in the future, that is STILL healthier than not eating any meat

I would LOVE to try human. There must be other people that think so too, I mean... Wow.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-25-2005, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hung In Rent (Molasses)

The first human's had huge canine teeth but now they are incresing smaller. Hence, we as humans no longer have the need to kill animals.

Who the hell cares when it tastes good

Thrice · 01-25-2005, 01:07 PM

If I dont eat the animals, someone else will.

Pimp_racer · 01-25-2005, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hung In Rent (Molasses)

Yes you can mock me and call me weak and stupid, and you might think that eating meat and diary is natural. But is it? Is sucking off a cow's tit natural? no. But squeezing into a bucket and then drinking it is? Why is it right to kill pigs and cows, yet sick to kill the next-door neighbours dog, fluffy.

My Question is, where do humans draw the line? You don't have the heart to kill an animal, or strangle a chicken yet you are a constant consumer or red meat and poltry, why can't you kill an animal yet happily go down to the store to buy it's pre-packeged remains? How many of you have stood out in a paddock and shot your dinner? This is what you call the scavenger theory.

In today's sociaty it is unnatural to kill. Therefore unnatural to eat meat. There is no evidence that humans were born to eat other animals, we don't have claws or fangs or ability to run after antelope, a grasing antelople wouldn't even fear us, we are harmless creatures. Yet somehow flesh of an animal is too important to skip from our lives.

Anyone here that would love to work at the slaughter house? Why not? That's where your lovely delicious meals come from, you eat it everyday, it wouldn't be too different from working in the candy store, right?

Much of this is due to today's ignorence. Sure it was fine back 1000 years ago, where everyone had to kill their own meals, back then you could see the intestines fly and blood slpurt in your face, there's nothing wrong with eating a nice cooked cow after a long hard day slaughtering animals, and why wouldn't ya? Mmm, tatses like McDonalds. There is one thing that seperates us from now and 1000 years ago: intelligence. The same thing that seperates us from wolves and lions. We are smart enough to live without going as low as killing, why don't we take advantage of that?

As for animal cruelty, that's another story. This is the almightly scavenger theory. There is also a poll.

lol if i had my essy still on my comp that idid on vegans i would post it. i should get it back from the teacher soon and ill post it for u.

Jonah · 01-25-2005, 06:03 PM

Look....this thread has become rediculous in so many ways. There are countless opinions and reasons why one chooses to not eat meat, or any other animal by product. I will choose 3 to explain slightly. PAY ATTENTION and READ BETWEEN THE LINES.

1. Old farming ways vs. mass production; Animal Abuse

True, "If I dont eat the animals, someone else will.", but you're missing an entire morally stable point, and that is the animal abuse and the effort which goes into it. Putting aside all religion and evolution, animals were put on this earth to eat...fine. At one time, growing up on a farm, raising the animal, then eating it was the way of survival. Then the industrial revolution brought about technology and mass production, thus, inventing the method of "factory farming" as the modern way to produce meat.
Factory Farming- this method consists of a confinement system using windowless metal sheds, and wire cages, sometimes electrically charged. The animals are packed by the hundreds in these metal sheds and have no space to move. A lot of them die because they can’t get to food. Factory farm animals are fed and sprayed with huge amounts of pesticides and antibiotics to unnaturally make them grow faster, to ensure that you have the “meat worth your money.” The antibiotics and pesticides remain in their bodies, which then are passed on to the people who eat them. I suggest you do some research to learn more.
One example of a factory-farmed animal is the pig. Piglets are taken off of their mother as soon as they are born and are packed in pens until sorted for meat or breeding. Since overcrowding leads to stress-related behaviors such as cannibalism and/or tail biting, farmers will chop off their tails and use pliers to break off the ends of their teeth with no anesthetics involved. Other ways of factory-farm abuse include scalding alive, slitting throats while alive, beating them to death, and other violent acts, which I have seen through videotape.
FACT: If a dog or cat were abused in such ways, it's considered a crime against animal felony.

Jonah · 01-25-2005, 06:11 PM

2. Question Authority.
Another fact is these mass corporations, such as KFC, McDonalds, Burger King, Taco Bell, and others, who have raised ethical questioning, have gone under investigation, and witnessed first hand the abuse, which has all been proven through video tape. Then, when the company is confronted about the unethical treatment, they deny it. I can't say that for all cases, because in some instances they have admitted to the abuse, and have worked to correct the problem. Any business exists upon society, and it's the duty of the company to accommodate society. When bad things happen, no company wants to take credit for that. Why would they? Above all animal abuse cases in fast-food corporations, chickens endure the most abuse. Although KFC has made an agreement “to only deal with suppliers who promise to maintain our high standards and commitment to animal welfare,” investigations have proven KFC severely abuses chickens by scalding them alive, clipping their beak off without any painkillers, and leaving life-long crippling. There are more than 750 million chickens murdered each year for KFC, which are tortured in ways that would result in felony crimes if domestic pets were involved.

View Poll Results: What are ye?
I'm a Strict Vegan (No animal products at all)	2	7.41%
I'm Vegetarian (No animal flesh)	3	11.11%
I'm a Consumer of mammels, poltry and fish	18	66.67%
I'm a Vege-Aquarian (No animal flesh, except ocean creatures)	1	3.70%
I Believe in the Scavenger Theory (As shown below)	3	11.11%
Voters: 27. You may not vote on this poll

01-24-2005, 04:25 PM	#23 (permalink)
Mixin Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The center of earth Posts: 45	I'll eat meat even after all the animals are extinct. cannibalism is in the future, that is STILL healthier than not eating any meat __________________ I'm not gonna say that I'm a conspiracy theorist, but... ...the government is after me My website the Mansion of Metal

01-24-2005, 05:48 PM	#24 (permalink)
hookers with machineguns Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,753	^ I'll remember to stay far away from you when all animals go extinct. __________________ LASTFM

01-25-2005, 01:07 PM	#27 (permalink)
Thrice أمهاتك[وهور]Aura Euphoria Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Florida/Buffalo/CT Posts: 2,077	If I dont eat the animals, someone else will. __________________ Lew Harrison, who looked like an anarchist with his red eyes and fierce black beard, had been writing furiously in one corner of the room. "That's good—happiness by the kilowatt," he said. "Buy your happiness the way you buy light."

01-25-2005, 06:03 PM	#29 (permalink)
Jonah My real name is Renee. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 191	Look....this thread has become rediculous in so many ways. There are countless opinions and reasons why one chooses to not eat meat, or any other animal by product. I will choose 3 to explain slightly. PAY ATTENTION and READ BETWEEN THE LINES. 1. Old farming ways vs. mass production; Animal Abuse True, "If I dont eat the animals, someone else will.", but you're missing an entire morally stable point, and that is the animal abuse and the effort which goes into it. Putting aside all religion and evolution, animals were put on this earth to eat...fine. At one time, growing up on a farm, raising the animal, then eating it was the way of survival. Then the industrial revolution brought about technology and mass production, thus, inventing the method of "factory farming" as the modern way to produce meat. Factory Farming- this method consists of a confinement system using windowless metal sheds, and wire cages, sometimes electrically charged. The animals are packed by the hundreds in these metal sheds and have no space to move. A lot of them die because they can’t get to food. Factory farm animals are fed and sprayed with huge amounts of pesticides and antibiotics to unnaturally make them grow faster, to ensure that you have the “meat worth your money.” The antibiotics and pesticides remain in their bodies, which then are passed on to the people who eat them. I suggest you do some research to learn more. One example of a factory-farmed animal is the pig. Piglets are taken off of their mother as soon as they are born and are packed in pens until sorted for meat or breeding. Since overcrowding leads to stress-related behaviors such as cannibalism and/or tail biting, farmers will chop off their tails and use pliers to break off the ends of their teeth with no anesthetics involved. Other ways of factory-farm abuse include scalding alive, slitting throats while alive, beating them to death, and other violent acts, which I have seen through videotape. FACT: If a dog or cat were abused in such ways, it's considered a crime against animal felony. __________________ "If we take our strength- to market, to trade for their ugly beauty-Watch us grow up to war."

01-19-2005, 02:09 PM	#21 (permalink)
burnmonkey Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 47	I don't have so much of an issue with killing and eating anmals as i do with the way that they're treated while theyr'e stilll alive (factory farms). Consuming dairy and other animal products seems to be more inhumane than just eating the animal itself. As it was once told to me "if meat is murder, then dairy is rape" Besides we definitely werent meant to consume cows milk

01-25-2005, 06:11 PM	#30 (permalink)
Jonah My real name is Renee. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 191	2. Question Authority. Another fact is these mass corporations, such as KFC, McDonalds, Burger King, Taco Bell, and others, who have raised ethical questioning, have gone under investigation, and witnessed first hand the abuse, which has all been proven through video tape. Then, when the company is confronted about the unethical treatment, they deny it. I can't say that for all cases, because in some instances they have admitted to the abuse, and have worked to correct the problem. Any business exists upon society, and it's the duty of the company to accommodate society. When bad things happen, no company wants to take credit for that. Why would they? Above all animal abuse cases in fast-food corporations, chickens endure the most abuse. Although KFC has made an agreement “to only deal with suppliers who promise to maintain our high standards and commitment to animal welfare,” investigations have proven KFC severely abuses chickens by scalding them alive, clipping their beak off without any painkillers, and leaving life-long crippling. There are more than 750 million chickens murdered each year for KFC, which are tortured in ways that would result in felony crimes if domestic pets were involved. __________________ "If we take our strength- to market, to trade for their ugly beauty-Watch us grow up to war."