boo boo

I don't think animals are equal to people, and when people compare slaughtering pigs to the holocaust it's pretty sickening.

I don't even like people in general, all this talk about "living up to some high standards" is f*cking bullsh*t and vegetarianism is just another bullsh*t reason to make us feel more important than we are.

I'm not a total nihilist, I like being alive, I value the lives of those most close to me, I believe that decent people exist and they justify the existance of life as a whole, but other than that most people can suck it, and I love meat. Yes I believe our environment should be taken more seriously, that there's some sacrifices we could all make and that kids deserve a better future and all that. And yes a lot of the farming practices are not only sadistic but they have their health risks too, steroids are a big issue, something should be done about stuff like that.

But I'm not giving up something (that isn't a moral issue to me because I could care less about f*cking cows) I really enjoy just because a bunch of hippie f*cks who like shoving their morals down my throat will feel better about themselves, I think humans will always have certain animalistic characteristics at least until we evolve into giant brains and I guess you're all trying to speed up that evolution process but it's like the same reasons I made that thread about heaven, I don't want a utopia, I don't want to be a giant brain, and I don't understand why anyone would.

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I'm not shoving my morals down your throat

boo boo

I don't even know you.

I was responding to Bungalowbill.

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I'm all for eating meat, but I agree that some of the meat industry out there is pretty darn awful. Here the standards are good, I think. It's not a very capitalistic country and we're not part of the EU, and animals don't suffer under the dollar or euro as they might do elsewhere.

Some points I don't think anyone else have made so far,

Most domestic animals today like chickens and cattle have been bred for thousands of years, just like dogs. Generally speaking, most of them don't have a place in nature anymore and wouldn't necessarily do very well if we put them back out there. They survive under our protection in our cultured landscapes where there's little predation. It's not universally true, some breeds of sheep do quite well in natural environments for example, but it's certainly valid to the argument. For some of them, if we had no interest in their meat/eggs/feathers/fur or whatever, they wouldn't be around. We made them.

A point about morality is that we need it for us just as much as we need it for the animals. When someone says they don't like the idea of animals suffering, I assume they don't like the idea of people suffering either. That morality is a byproduct of our compassion for eachother and happens when people identify with animals. Still, I think many meat eaters are ignorant of what the lives of industry cattle, pigs, chickens and so on are like. I'm sure that if they really found out - visited an abbatoir or something similar, they'd break down in tears.

I actually think that one reason why vegetarianism is gaining popularity is that people are so far removed from nature these days. People used to gut their own fish, boil their own crabs, slaughter their own pigs. People learned to treat animals more like things. Nowadays, some people hardly ever see animals unless they are pets. Obviously they don't learn how to use them. If anything, they learn to relate to them more as if they were people whose shapes and cognitive abilities are different from ours.

Obviously, farmers, fishers, people working in abbatoirs and so on - they still see and treat animals as things. The conflict has a basic root in the perception of animals.

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FaSho

I have one friend who was raised a vegetarian, and a few that just recently decided to become vegetarian/vegan. I assume because it's the 'cool' thing to do. Even though I've found I do prefer veggie bacon to real bacon, I'm a pretty big fan of meat. I think this about sums it up for me:

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Agreed to a point. It goes along with all the kids these days thinking they are *** at 13 so they have something to defend in an otherwise boring ass life.

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my cousin is vegetarian. one day she was going off about animal rights. i pointed out the fact that she was wearing leather shoes. that shut her up pretty quick.

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boo boo

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i think you're absolutely spot on with what i bolded. the modern disconnection with where food comes from is becoming incredibly sad. like the letter sent to a newspaper about how barbaric hunters were and how they should leave the animals in peace and just get their meat from the grocery store like civilized people.

although i don't think the idea that people desensitized themselves to seeing animals as 'things' is quite accurate as well. the emotional connection that a pet would have wouldn't be there but most sensible people could see the animal as a necessary living sacrifice. while large scale commercial slaughterhouses might be cold and mechanical the average farmer most definitely gives a crap about their livestock even if they know it's their last season. they don't want to harvest an unhealthy / dying animal as that wouldn't translate to a healthy family.

as for meat = murder... do i really need canine teeth to eat nothing but beans and sprouts?

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