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duga 05-26-2010 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bulldog (Post 871802)
I know where you're coming from, as I certainly get the feeling that I don't exactly see eye-to-eye with a lot of people in a musical taste sense here myself. I don't really think I ever have, and that's not me trying to be a hipster or anything, but more a way of saying that I guess it depends how you use this place. I personally only use MB as a place to bring up music in a way that real life doesn't let me, seeing as it's very hard to find people who don't use music forums who have even slightly similar tastes to me. As far as that goes, I don't think this place will ever exhaust itself with me...at least as long as I keep feeling as passionate about music as I do. I do agree that it's definitely a pain in the arse if you wanna educate people around here though.

This exactly. Music is one of the largest parts of my life, and it gets very frustrating to be out in the world and not be able to talk about it in the depth that I want to. Even if I meet someone who likes a band that I know most people haven't really heard of, as soon as I go deeper and list off their influences and related bands I get nothing but a blank stare. This is like therapy just knowing there are people in the world who love music like I do...even if their tastes are completely different.

TheBig3 05-26-2010 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bulldog (Post 871802)
Yeah, I get that feeling too, and I do remember it vaguely. I did join up around the time there was still the odd bit of that going on, back when Cobe Kai came here and Lucifer Sam would, frankly, have a tendency to act like a bit of a prick, and so on. I guess those things do liven up the boards and so on but, the fact is, there aren't even a lot of particularly abrasive people joining MB these days. About 99% of the posts I delete and bannings I give out are just for people who can't read the rules spamming some crap or other.

Cpt. Awesome was the most recent prick I recall.

Whats stimulating are fights. It qould require boths sides to at least be impassioned. But people run away from fights these days. I think in our best intentions, there would be passionate debate on issues. In reality it spills over onto the posters as well but the reason Pricks keep the place alive is that you can't always count on a douchebag to be a douchbag. Most folks just can't be bothered to fight.

Also, a word on similar tastes. I'd be bored to hell if everyone had the same taste as me, and I'd definitly go find another board. I didn't google Musical Tea Party, I googled music banter - and thats what I'm looking for.

Bulldog 05-26-2010 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 871812)
Cpt. Awesome was the most recent prick I recall.

Whats stimulating are fights. It qould require boths sides to at least be impassioned. But people run away from fights these days. I think in our best intentions, there would be passionate debate on issues. In reality it spills over onto the posters as well but the reason Pricks keep the place alive is that you can't always count on a douchebag to be a douchbag. Most folks just can't be bothered to fight.

Also, a word on similar tastes. I'd be bored to hell if everyone had the same taste as me, and I'd definitly go find another board. I didn't google Musical Tea Party, I googled music banter - and thats what I'm looking for.

Which is basically why I stick around.

As for Captain Awesome, yeah, the guy's a nobhead and no mistake but, as you say, people in general don't really feel inclined to to have a good old-fashioned scuffle around here these days. I remember Hiu (who to me just seemed an out-and-out bellend without any real interest in musical debate since he made his brief comeback), but other than that I can't recall any particularly aggressive members here stretching back at least a year. It's just a question of the kinds of people who sign up here and, obviously, there's nothing that can be done about that. I personally don't feel that that mindset's exactly dangerously detrimental to the MB experience if you will (I actually quite like it), but then again that's just the kinda person I am.

hissundaygirl09. 05-26-2010 11:54 AM

uhmm because they go downhill

right-track 05-26-2010 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bulldog (Post 871816)
Which is basically why I stick around.

As for Captain Awesome, yeah, the guy's a nobhead and no mistake but, as you say, people in general don't really feel inclined to to have a good old-fashioned scuffle around here these days. I remember Hiu (who to me just seemed an out-and-out bellend without any real interest in musical debate since he made his brief comeback), but other than that I can't recall any particularly aggressive members here stretching back at least a year. It's just a question of the kinds of people who sign up here and, obviously, there's nothing that can be done about that. I personally don't feel that that mindset's exactly dangerously detrimental to the MB experience if you will (I actually quite like it), but then again that's just the kinda person I am.

Dickheads beget dickheads.
The tone of the forum over the past few years does nothing to encourage them.
Flaming and fights were commonplace when I joined this place, but the idiots were weeded out and the decent members were encouraged.
While it's not as amusing as it used to be back in the good old days, at least the content has improved and it's not the free for all it used to be.
Credit for that, goes to the moderators.

VEGANGELICA 05-26-2010 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tore (Post 871709)
It seems a significant portion of the people I have musical interests in common with have left the forums and they're not being replaced with new regulars. As an example, I would like to put some effort into making a Canterbury thread, but I fear it wouldn't generate much interest at all. That doesn't have to be because of lazyness, it's just a niche category with a relatively few amount of followers. We can't all like the same thing .. There used to be people here who would get excited about such a thread, but most of them disappeared.

I'd be interested in a Canterbury thread, Tore! In fact, I just learned of "Canterbury" music last week, I think, in the shoutbox while talking music with Anteater and Unchained Ballad. This is unfortunately a pretty one-sided music exchange and consists of me asking them for music suggestions, since I don't know a lot of music and thus have little to offer back, but I enjoy listening to and commenting on the songs for which they provide links, and they don't seem to mind offering them to me. It's a great way for me to listen to music I might never have considered...and is a nice way to get to know people a little better. So, start your "Canterbury" thread and I'll listen! :)

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 871805)
Music is one of the largest parts of my life...This is like therapy just knowing there are people in the world who love music like I do...even if their tastes are completely different.

Well said, duga.

jackhammer 05-26-2010 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 871812)
Cpt. Awesome was the most recent prick I recall.

Whats stimulating are fights. It qould require boths sides to at least be impassioned. But people run away from fights these days. I think in our best intentions, there would be passionate debate on issues. In reality it spills over onto the posters as well but the reason Pricks keep the place alive is that you can't always count on a douchebag to be a douchbag. Most folks just can't be bothered to fight.

Also, a word on similar tastes. I'd be bored to hell if everyone had the same taste as me, and I'd definitly go find another board. I didn't google Musical Tea Party, I googled music banter - and thats what I'm looking for.


I can't fight with you as I'm a mod :(

mr dave 05-26-2010 06:42 PM

i think one of the biggest problems with forums and music in general is the difference between people who get what playing music is about (expression) and those who equate it to bands and albums (commerce).

it's like the difference between music (art) and musical taste (ego) - they are not one and the same. it takes time and effort to do the necessary soul searching to reach a point where one is fine with the fact that what you listen to doesn't actually matter for anything at all to anyone besides you.

discussing a band's discography is no different than discussing a restaurant's menu in my eyes. while entertaining at times, it's ultimately superfluous.

jackhammer 05-26-2010 07:04 PM

big 3 chickened out ;) :(

Sparky 05-26-2010 07:11 PM

your a mod again?

jackhammer 05-26-2010 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by matious (Post 872024)
your a mod again?

Of course I am. I can't be got ridden of that easily.

Sparky 05-26-2010 07:21 PM

this place is just a revolving door of ex-mods becoming mods again.

i know that metaphor doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

glad to have you back <3<3

duga 05-27-2010 07:40 AM

^

Um...what? His post is encouraging if nothing else.

TheBig3 05-27-2010 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 872007)
I can't fight with you as I'm a mod :(

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 872020)
big 3 chickened out ;) :(


You can fight with me, I don't know why you wouldn't. You know, cept getting school'd. And what did I chicken out on?

Necromancer 05-27-2010 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 872201)
^

Um...what? His post is encouraging if nothing else.

Oh I know..I was just giving reflection of my first impression with humor,
I never really am very concerned or serious about the small things.
I guess I will delete it if it offends anyone.

duga 05-27-2010 09:13 AM

Haha

I don't think anyone was offended don't worry.

jackhammer 05-28-2010 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 872205)
You can fight with me, I don't know why you wouldn't. You know, cept getting school'd. And what did I chicken out on?

Ah too late Brennan, I was all ready for a battle over the keyboards but you logged out and my wrath was savagely quelled. What on earth we were going to argue about I have no idea and I'm already schooled. I have a 16 year old son so I'm used to drawing battle lines.

iron9567 05-29-2010 01:34 PM

You can always school me if you feel the need to. I need some excitement here lately anyways.

VEGANGELICA 05-29-2010 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 872010)
i think one of the biggest problems with forums and music in general is the difference between people who get what playing music is about (expression) and those who equate it to bands and albums (commerce).

it's like the difference between music (art) and musical taste (ego) - they are not one and the same. it takes time and effort to do the necessary soul searching to reach a point where one is fine with the fact that what you listen to doesn't actually matter for anything at all to anyone besides you.

I like how you say this, mr dave, and I agree. I hope people who come to MB have a chance to enjoy musical expression, even if they are the only ones who like a particular song (other than hopefully its creators).

One reason I like the songwriting section so much is that here I get to talk to the people who are expressing themselves musically. I find it ironic that last year there was an MB vote in favor of closing the songwriting section because the lyrics "suck," when to me the whole point of music isn't to make something that others like but to express yourself.

Oriphiel 08-23-2017 01:02 PM

*Necrobump*

So, seven years later, do you guys think the first post is still accurate/relevant?

Paedantic Basterd 08-23-2017 01:06 PM

I think that "message board deterioration" has more to do with the flow of people in and out of the site than anything else. New people come, old people leave, some things stay the same, but the personality is bound to shift.

For me, most of my friends and favourite posters here have disappeared. There are a lot of new people I like or at least don't hate, but what they bring to the table is naturally different, so part of the appeal is lost for good.

Trollheart 08-23-2017 01:26 PM

I kind of wouldn't agree. The idea advanced in the OP was initially what caused me to jack it in with this forum in 2008 and not come back till about 2011. I found the elitism and musical snobbery annoying, hurtful and unfair. Then I manned up, came back and said "**** you guys if you hate my music (and you do) - it ain't gonna stop me listening to it, and you can criticise and **** on it all you want, won't change my own opinion of it."

Then I learned to interact with some of the snarky elements and tried to give as good as I got. Generally, I failed; but I stopped taking everything quite so seriously. I think in fairness a lot of this change in attitude has come from my interaction with Batty, who has shown me that you can diss the hell out of something but only be joking, and that every negative comment doesn't necessarily have to be hurtful; it's up to you how you take it.

That said, there is indeed little in the way of new ideas being advanced and I think if it was not for the Lounge this place would be a lot less populated, and a lot less fun than it is at the moment.

MicShazam 08-23-2017 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1866842)
*Necrobump*

So, seven years later, do you guys think the first post is still accurate/relevant?

I read the whole thing and thought it sounded like a very different MB than what I know. I joined August 2015, was MIA for about ½ a year in 2016 and then came back. I've been here long enough to see what MB is, I'd say. There's not a lot of snobbery, quite a lot of different kinds of music being pushed and people in here are different, have eclectic tastes, yet manage to find common ground. There could be more activity in here, that's the only problem, but I don't find the OP to reflect what I've experienced over the past 2 years or so.

Frownland 08-23-2017 01:36 PM

Where can I sign up for these $5 haircuts? That's a great rate.

MicShazam 08-23-2017 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1866870)
Where can I sign up for these $5 haircuts? That's a great rate.

The cheapest I can get is about 130 kroner, which translates to 20,66 dollars on the current rate. And that's the immigrant saloons I always go to. A Danish owned hair saloon will easily be 2,5 times as expensive.

Frownland 08-23-2017 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1866874)
The cheapest I can get is about 130 kroner, which translates to 20,66 dollars on the current rate. And that's the immigrant saloons I always go to. A Danish owned hair saloon will easily be 2,5 times as expensive.

I read this as 2,066 dollars and was muchly concerned.

MicShazam 08-23-2017 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1866875)
I read this as 2,066 dollars and was muchly concerned.

That would take some inflation.


I keep forgetting that Americans use a "." instead of a "," for decimals. Or at least sometimes? I'm confused.

Oriphiel 08-23-2017 01:46 PM

I read it that way too. :laughing:

Chula Vista 08-23-2017 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1866869)
I read the whole thing and thought it sounded like a very different MB than what I know. I've been here long enough to see what MB is, I'd say. There's not a lot of snobbery, quite a lot of different kinds of music being pushed and people in here are different, have eclectic tastes, yet manage to find common ground.

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MicShazam 08-23-2017 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1866877)
I read it that way too. :laughing:


I know Denmark is an expensive country to live in, 20% sales tax and all, but there are limits.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1866880)
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Seriosly though, that's my take on MB. Maybe I'm just enough of a newbie yet that people are taking it easy on my questionable tastes.

Frownland 08-23-2017 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1866876)
I keep forgetting that Americans use a "." instead of a "," for decimals. Or at least sometimes? I'm confused.

We always use decimal points to mark points where decimals are instead of commas, yes.

MicShazam 08-23-2017 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1866882)
We always use decimal points to mark points where decimals are instead of commas, yes.

We use the Metric system, so we win. All arbitrary, old types of measurings were thrown out somewhere around the 50's and everything was standardized into something that made sense. It's possible that the naval profession still uses things like sea miles and knots.

EDIT: Off topic by miles, I mean kilometers.

Frownland 08-23-2017 02:05 PM

When you get down to it 10 is an arbitrary number too you socially constructed bitch.

MicShazam 08-23-2017 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1866884)
When you get down to it 10 is an arbitrary number too you socially constructed bitch.

Some arbitrary social constructs make more sense. In any case, it's nice not to have to convert things since all units easily translate to other units by simply moving the comma (sorry, "decimal point").

I hate it when english language texts refer to people's height in feet and other nonsense like that. Learn to metric, bitches.

Frownland 08-23-2017 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1866885)
Some arbitrary social constructs make more sense.

Say that to the man with eleven fingers.

Tbh I'm more of a descriptive unit kind of guy. "Really ****ing tall" is a lot more clear than "ten tenometers and a tenteenth."

MicShazam 08-23-2017 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1866886)
Tbh I'm more of a descriptive unit kind of guy. "Really ****ing tall" is a lot more clear than "ten tenometers and a tenteenth."

For literature, I think I'd agree. I don't need to know the exact measurements of the whole cast.

Trollheart 08-23-2017 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1866875)
I read this as 2,066 dollars and was muchly concerned.

Me too
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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1866876)
That would take some inflation.


I keep forgetting that Americans use a "." instead of a "," for decimals. Or at least sometimes? I'm confused.

Um, we all use them. That's why they're called decimal points? I think it's one of the few grammatical constants on which both Americans and others agree.
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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1866888)
For literature, I think I'd agree. I don't need to know the exact measurements of the whole cast.

Unless one of them is Raquel Welch (showing my age but come on...)

MicShazam 08-23-2017 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1866894)
Um, we all use them. That's why they're called decimal points? I think it's one of the few grammatical constants on which both Americans and others agree.

When writing large numbers there's a difference in how we separate thousands. To me, writing a million as 1,000,000 looks all wrong. I'd write it as 1.000.000.
Thus, the decimal marker is also opposite.

So for the most of the world, one million point ninety nine would be written as 1,000,000.99 and becomes 1.000.000,99 in Danish. This is one area where we're admittedly backwards. There's been talk of changing the rules since school children are using technology with international notation these days.

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1866894)
Unless one of them is Raquel Welch (showing my age but come on...)

I'm only faintly taller than her.

Trollheart 08-23-2017 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1866895)
When writing large numbers there's a difference in how we separate thousands. To me, writing a million as 1,000,000 looks all wrong. I'd write it as 1.000.000.
Thus, the decimal marker is also opposite.

So for the most of the world, one million point ninety nine: 1,000,000.99 becomes 1.000.000,99 in Danish. This is one area where we're admittedly backwards. There's been talk of changing the rules since school children are using technology with international notation these days.

No. That would be one. With a lot of zeroes behind it. I've never heard of anyone use commas instead of decimal points. Commas for thousands and up, decimal points for any sort of fraction. I never remember it being any other way.
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I'm only faintly taller than her.
That is of course what I was referring to.
:shycouch:

Frownland 08-23-2017 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1866899)
No. That would be one. With a lot of zeroes behind it. I've never heard of anyone use commas instead of decimal points. Commas for thousands and up, decimal points for any sort of fraction. I never remember it being any other way.

Don't worry TH, it's a real thing.


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