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Very slow indeed.

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s_k

I feel as though we should accept them in a way. We shouldn't accept them in society as they're capable of molesting our children. There's no way I'm going to defend those actions. But I do think most (probably all?) peadophiles are really very sad, sick people who didn't ask to be like they are.

I've always had this thought about any sort of punishment for massmurderers, rapists and so on; They didn't ask to be like that, sometimes it's even fair to say; they didn't DESERVE to be like that.
I am very much in favor of locking them up for the safety of our children and/our ourselves, but not to punish them.
Catch my drift?
I know this is a very risky thing to say as it's far from generally accepted. But I am not generally accepted anyway .

I just like to add once more that I agree that, in no way, murderers or molesters should be free. They should be kept in captivity for their entire lives. But I'm still not sure if punishment is the right way to go.

Take, for example, terrorists, right?
They are doing afwul things, but they are in the end brainwashed .
Of course I am glad when a terrorist planning a terrorist attack that might kill hundreds of people, is killed. But I still think; He's a human, whatever he's planning to do, he's still a human. And I still feel as if it's not quite right to destroy someone's life, just because this person destroyed other lives. It seems... equally bad, somehow.

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Paedantic Basterd

I think SK's got a bit of a point. Hating these people isn't going to change them. We shouldn't support their interests by any means, but I think it would do much more good if we offered them psychological help to keep these urges in check.

s_k

^Breakthrough.
I was expecting to be called a complete nutter.
Thanks for actually reading what I meant to say. I know it may be a different vision, but I'm not a complete lunatic .

Psychological help isn't what I'm thinking of. Overhere it's usual to offer these people forced psychological help before they're allowed to leave jail after... loads of years. But still a lot of them go back to their old behaviour. I don't support ever reintroducing them to the public again. Please keep them behind shut doors, it's not worth the risk. But don't treat them like criminals. Because they're really very sad, sick, sorry people who didn't ask to be like they are either.

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You seem under the assumption that all pedophiles act on their urges and harm children. I'm not saying none of them do, but there are many such people who either restrict their interests to imagery (which is still supporting a despicable system), or who refuse to satisfy their urges whatsoever.

I've spoken to someone who falls into the latter category. He was sexually attracted to children, yes, but didn't permit himself to be anywhere near them nor did he indulge in third party abuse (kiddie porn). He saw a therapist regularly to help him understand himself.

I'm not excusing the behaviour by any means, but there are people out there "afflicted" with pedophilia who understand the harm their sexual preference can have on children, and who (however creepy it is) love children too much to indulge themselves and bring harm to them.

I don't necessarily think we should lose sight of the fact that these are people. They need help, and monitoring. Every precaution should be taken to protect children, but that doesn't end with dehumanizing people.

That said, I am supportive of chemical castration. I don't consider it dehumanizing, because I think that most people should be chemically castrated anyhow.

s_k

Yes, to be honest, I've never seen the problem with that.
It obviously is an interest that shouldn't be encouraged, but if the pics already exist, how is it still wrong to look at them?
Please understand; I may miss something here, I'm not saying it ISN'T wrong, I just say I don't know what harm it can do.

That's a brave thing to do.
Then there's the difference between being attracted to children and actually keeping these kind of websites in the air by supporting them.
If that's the case, it is indeed a bad thing.

Every human is one human. If it were up to me, the big criminals in this world like Bin Laden and Ghadaffi didn't HAVE to be killed. I know this was probably the only way, but I don't think they should be killed because of what they did. They should be stopped by any means with what they were doing and murder is obviuosly the safest way, as crazy as it may seem.

Whenever I say something like this, people often go "Well if it's like that no one is guilty of anything when it comes to you". And that is indeed the case.

Haha, I am sometimes ashamed of men. Not saying I'm not one of them every now and then. But we sure follow our dicks sometimes...
I sometimes hear stories of my female friends, about their boyfriends that make me really sad. Even though I know they're good guys, they sure know how to hurt their girlfriend now and then. It's strange how relationships work. But err, offtopic

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Paedantic Basterd

In regards to this particular point, I think that viewing the images is A) fueling their own desires and therefore dangerous to their careful self-restraint, and B) encouraging a harmful industry. The cycle of abusive video and photography is fueled in part by demand. It's beneficial to reduce demand wherever possible.

s_k

A) Not sure, maybe if they can 'do is themselves' they'll stay away from the kids
B) If they are indeed encouraging a harmful industry by looking at these pictures, this should definitely be stopped. I wasn't sure if they were.
I mean, if I illegaly download music, I don't support any industry, right?

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Farfisa

I like cute, short chicks, but I don't think that makes me a pedo. I can't stand being around kids, way too damn loud sometimes. Well, anyway I think it has to do with kids being innocent (in terms of sexuality) and pedophiles like to take advantage of it (and get off on it). When I think about it, it makes me feel a bit ill. The fact that people find innocence to be attractive to the point of obsession.

Paedantic Basterd

Let me put it this way. Does looking at pornography satisfy you completely, or make you want to have sex? It's probably the same deal. They probably try to avoid arousal wherever possible.

As for child porn, supply and demand. I really didn't want to compare pedophiles to vegetarians, but I feel now I need to give you a better analogy than I have. Vegetarians often don't support the meat industry (abuse), and do so by eliminating their consumption of meat products. It may seem like a drop in the ocean, but when enough people take this attitude, it reduces the overall demand for meat, and thus the number of animals being harmed.

Sorry to all vegetarians on MB for using you in a crude analogy. You're not pedophiles.