The Batlord

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Why would Person A remember something that Person B wouldn't in an identical universe?

What does having control of your thoughts have to do with anything?

Without my hypothetical infinitive universe experiment, that is an unprovable assertion. Every situation is different, so you can't apply past results to future ones. Just because some guy punched you in the face once and you kicked his ass, doesn't mean that you actually responded differently when you restrained yourself another time.

Maybe the second guy was bigger than you, maybe you were sober, maybe you were just older and not a dumbass, or any number of other reasons that could explain why you would react differently in two situations that were really only superficially alike.

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grindy

Quantum physics being seemingly governed by chance might be the one thing undermining determinism.
Although there could be hidden variables, so maybe not.

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Trollheart

All of the above can be related to you doing different things even on different days. TBH, if you're not going to accept that there could be subtle differences between the dimensions, then you may as well not bother because who cares if there are infinite alternate universes if every single one of them is exactly the same in every detail?

I explained by theory based off of the idea that each decision makes a split and spins off into a separate alternate universe, where things are, or can be, very slightly different and outcomes vary. If you don't accept that then just agree to disagree, but you're not disproving my theory with yours, because they're both just hypothetical, and one does not have any more likelihood of being correct than the other.

If you just want to pick holes in my argument for the hell of it, go ahead. But don't think you're any more likely to be right than I could be.

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Chula Vista

Totally relevant, because it proves the math theory sometimes has huge holes in it.

See above.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Trollheart

I feel personally this has gone way off-topic and is developing into something of a snark between Batty, Chula and Frownland. I mean, who cares really? It's just a lighthearted topic and I think sticking to the question in the OP will cut down on drama, which is .... building .... 80% ... please stand by .... 82% ....

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Chula Vista

Just a healthy discussion. I'm not taking any offense.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Key

Not the point. I made the thread to discuss the theory or the Grandfather Paradox, not mathematical equations and the like. Some people have been very good at discussing the possibility of such theory, even if the possibilities are completely out of proportion. Honestly, you guys going back and forth on the argument you're stuck on is making me not want to post in this thread, and it's my own damn thread.

Chula Vista

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Frownland

You haven't proved anything. You're just saying that 'I don't understand this so I guess that makes it impossible to define rationally'. If you replaced the events you describe with the cheese making process and how you don't understand it, maybe you would see why me and Batlord think that you yourself are the irrational one.

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Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.

Trollheart

This is my point. You may not be taking offence, but some of us are. A small few of you have turned this into what amounts to either a private battleground or a debate between 2-3 of you, and it's not fair to the OP. It's off topic, and I've certainly been accused (rightly) of doing this. If you want to keep arguing about semantics not directly related to the OP question I would find another thread, or make one. You're boring us all now and it's getting in the way of the discussion.

Oh, and I should say, great thread Ki. Really enjoying it.

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