I wonder if Ant has ever sent a gal a picture of an empty egg carton before. I bet he has.

be specific. What did I distort, Hitler fanboy?

By trivializing the destruction of Native civilizations and enveloping of their lands by Europeans you're distorting the reality and importance of what happened so that you can hand wave the past and "just get on with it" like a good, forward thinking Westerner.

That's all very vague and subjective language.

A Holocaust dernier might for instance doubt the number people killed, the existence of gas chambers, etc.

Did I say anything that was actually ahistorical or are you just saying that I didn't show enough reverence?

@Bat

That whole anarcho-nihilist schtick certainly didn't last long. I thought everything and everyone sucked and nothing mattered?

I'm saying that you're essentially denying the Holocaust because you're trivializing a historical event to keep moral questions at a distance. The mechanics of denying the Holocaust and trivializing the Native American holocaust are going to be necessarily different just the same as German fascism is going to be different from American fascism but you're obscuring the forest by looking at the trees. It's still trivializing the non-in group to bolster the in-group.

Of course nothing matters and you can all suck my dong but I'm not a robot. **** fascists unless they dress well.

by making jokes or by saying that most of then died off by diseases?

Pretty sure saying "Hitler >>>>>" and that America never produced anything as awesome is literally trivializing the actual Holocaust.

You remind me of the "nihilists" from the big Lebowski

And so we see the fascist/pseudo-fascist/fascist-in-denial pussyfooting around their intentions to bamboozle the neo-liberal mods who just want to maintain the status quo anyway.

You always hide behind vagaries instead of making a real point. Maybe it's a problem with abstract thinking.

And lol @ "neoliberal mods" you non-thinking buzzword-repeating hayseed.

From someone who obfuscates with specifics to prevent uncomfortable comparisons that doesn't mean much.

I see someone can't pick up on tongue-in-cheek.

well when you call me a Holocaust denier you should either be able to find at least one example of something I'm denying or being ahistorical about or else find a better analogy. I don't think that's being too pedantic... You're just once again misusing a term.

No you are being pedantic. You wouldn't deny the Jewish Holocaust in the same way you would the Native American Holocaust because they are two different historical occurrences with two different histories. The Jewish Holocaust is so obvious and still fresh that one simply has to be a conspiracy theorist to deny it, whereas the Native American Holocaust started as an accident, so you can throw that up to trivialize the entire thing to begin with (which you did), and wasn't a centralized plan so you can be vague about what you consider to be genocide and what was just unfortunate history or just gloss over the whole damn thing since the specifics aren't common knowledge to most people even in America (you so far have chosen to gloss over while not being so stupid as to pretend nothing happened but since going down the specifics rabbit hole would mean pages upon pages of potential obfuscation that nobody casually posting on an internet forum wants to go down you still leave yourself open to be vague about what's genocide and what's just embarrassing but still forgivable as a country).

Exactly.

in both cases it would involve actually denying the genocide or some aspect of it, otherwise denier is simply the wrong charge to make.

I didn't say it started as an accident, only that the vast majority of the body count was through the spread of disease. That's a relevant fact to me in judging the scale of the genocide, not whether there was a genocide. I brought it up because many people don't know that and most people speak as if it's not true. I think you see it as trivializing because you recognize instinctively that people catching diseases doesn't look as nefarious as rape and pillage, and you would just assume gloss over anything that has that affect.

No, since the ultimate objective is the same. To cast off moral responsibility so that your respective cultures can retain pride and moral high ground. You are in fact the American version of a German Holocaust denier.

Literally makes no difference unless Europeans sailed to the Americas specifically to spread disease.

When you brazenly open the entire discussion with "I'm done being guilty about" you are most definitely trivializing. Especially when you make no attempt to asterisk your point by explaining what Europeans actually are guilty of and what you think that means concerning the history of the Americas and the United States.

I mean as if you don't know exactly what you're doing.

except being a "denier" isn't the only way to "cast off moral responsibility," it's one particular method that specifically involves revisionist history.

Truth be told, I don't care about "moral high ground" on a national level. This country has plenty of sins. I think it's a gross exaggeration that it's somehow worse than Nazi Germany, but yea.



actually I said "I'm done crying for...." and the reason given was that they were "wasting the continent."

Yes that comment was trivializing and was intended as such. It wasn't intended 100% seriously though.
actually I did at one point make the distinction that obviously the raping, pillaging, and other forms of overt violence and intentional displacement wasn't justified.

Cut it out already; this discussion isn't going anywhere, you're not making any good points, and I assume you're trolling. Also, to you and Bat: stop calling each other Hitler fanboys or fascists; it's childish and doesn't help your arguments

When he tries to get me in trouble for"Holocaust denial" after literally praising Hitler I have to point that out.

Nah, you don't have to. But it's true that Bat was being a bit obnoxious too, and what I just said extends to him somewhat.

Batlord has literally rocked nazi avatars.. but its cool, he was "just being funny".

omg stop being salty

Im not being salty, just pointing out glaring double standards that have existed long before you were a member or mod. You mad bruh?

Stop projecting your frustrations on me, and don't call me 'bruh'. It's not hard to grasp the difference between Bat's Hitler jokes and JWB's comments on the native Americans

alright I don't have to but I'm going to anyway

Carpe diem.

Me too

Wtf guys that Nazi avatar was censored, people weren't cool with it at all

On Feb 1st I ordered 18-discs worth of super-deluxe box sets by a favorite artist and the final set is pending shipping from the UK. The member journal draft is the result of a 98-stage, 26-page process guide to be implemented in 3 phases.

For phase 3 I'll need to restage the photo of my largest single-artist physical music collection once the last box set arrives. Sadly, the gent won't be mailing it until 16 days after I submitted the order, plus 2-3 weeks for it to land in the States and get through US Customs.

Meanwhile, I've got this massive collection on standby with my furniture moved so that I have enough room to reshoot it. (The test shot was to see whether it was physically possible to fit it all in one photo for the first time.)

Definitely a first-world problem, but I've gotta sit tight for the next 2-3 weeks until I it arrives and then wait til the weekend following its arrival to implement phase 3 of the project. I'm nothing if not dedicated.

Yeah I was the one that censored it and bat threw a fit

Mb has short term memory problems

That's all well and good but he's still a legit Hitler fan.

I dropped the fanboy part to show the proper respect for his hobby. I'm sorry Batlord.

Bring back WOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLFFFFFFFF

It helps me.

Let's see, there was Hitler's face Photoshopped onto a shirtless male model, Hitler wearing a Hawaiian shirt and aviator shades, and that anime girl with the swastika armband. All awesome. Especially buff Hitler.

Talk about a short term memory. You called for her removal as much as I did.

JWB says **** to get a rise out of people just like Batlord. Youre just naive. And i didnt call you bruh thats just part of the phrase not some intentional misgendering that youll try to make it out to be. Also, im not projecting, sooo... : D

Youre MBs Tosh. We know. Edgius Lordius.

If I was trying to make people mad I'm oddly poor at it with my Nazi jokes.

I know that both Bat and JWB do that, reread my posts. They just do it in a different way. And my dislike for being called bruh had nothing to do with gender. You draw hasty, underthought conclusions