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The Batlord · 03-29-2018, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, are Maroon 5 still a shitty band?

No, bitch.

**Frownland** · 03-29-2018, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

But what's the distinction between actual music and the general concept of art?

Sound, basically, but why do they have to be distinct?

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To me 4'33's worth is that it exists as a challenge to the concept of what is and what is not music, but is ultimately a portal to the understanding of music without necessarily being music in and of itself. If I were at a performance of 4'33 I would consider the sounds I heard to be potentially music, but those sounds would be divorced from 4'33 itself since they would exist with or without it. The only connection would be giving me a presentation that would encourage me to bridge my idea of sound and music.

4'33 as a concept has no sounds to connect to any "emotional triggers" that music would activate by virtue of the sounds being heard.

It exists to demonstrate the musicality of those noises by giving them the stage in a context where people are actively listening. It's definitely a statement and meant to be a learning experience, but the idea is that those noises are up for grabs, so when 4'33" puts its focus on those sounds for the performance, those sounds are 4'33" regardless of whether or not they had to be manipulated into the work to become a part of it. It's not a silent piece.

Ninetales · 03-29-2018, 02:26 PM

bare bones: what's the difference between sound and music

**Frownland** · 03-29-2018, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

bare bones: what's the difference between sound and music

Sound is a verb, music is a noun.

grindy · 03-29-2018, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

bare bones: what's the difference between sound and music

Music is organized sound with artistic intent.

Ninetales · 03-29-2018, 02:44 PM

is either/both of these music?

birdsong
my recording of birdsong

**Frownland** · 03-29-2018, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

is either/both of these music?

birdsong
my recording of birdsong

Dude, birds ****ing jam. There used to be a sparrow (or something idk) that lived in a nest in a tree by my window and whenever I would blast music he would sing along on some Coltrane level ****. He dug my sax and clarinet too.

grindy · 03-29-2018, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

is either/both of these music?

birdsong
my recording of birdsong

#2 if it has artistic intent and isn't, say, supposed to be some kind of ornithological document.

Ninetales · 03-29-2018, 02:50 PM

ok what if I just stand in front of a bird exhibit and say "the next two minutes of sounds here is music"

I suppose my convoluted point here is that it's odd to me that out of two sonically identical pieces, one is definitely music while the other is definitely not.

grindy · 03-29-2018, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

ok what if I just stand in front of a bird exhibit and say "the next two minutes of sounds here is music"

Yes.

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Ninetales Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: livin wild Posts: 2,179	bare bones: what's the difference between sound and music

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Ninetales Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: livin wild Posts: 2,179	is either/both of these music? birdsong my recording of birdsong

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Ninetales Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: livin wild Posts: 2,179	ok what if I just stand in front of a bird exhibit and say "the next two minutes of sounds here is music" I suppose my convoluted point here is that it's odd to me that out of two sonically identical pieces, one is definitely music while the other is definitely not.