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04-19-2020, 09:23 AM | #69591 (permalink) | ||
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The only thing that this article mentions is a hypothesis about microtubule vibrations (?), no arguments. No mention of the double slit experiment either
Edit: I found this article about this topic: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...about-reality/
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04-19-2020, 09:33 AM | #69592 (permalink) | |||
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BBC - The strange link between the human mind and quantum physics
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04-19-2020, 09:36 AM | #69593 (permalink) |
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Well damn MM the double slit experiment is classic observation effect evidence
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04-19-2020, 09:58 AM | #69594 (permalink) | ||
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Dude, I know. That doesn't mean it has anything to say about consciousness.
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04-19-2020, 10:11 AM | #69595 (permalink) | ||
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I skimmed through the article: it's cool. It mainly says that quantum theory might play a part in how our brain works, which is something different from what I was talking about: it seems implausible but might be true for all I know, and as far as I'm concerned that still lies within the definition of consciousness just being mechanical and instinctive.
The article itself talks about a variation on the thought experiment that I mentioned: measurements after a particle goes through the slit still collapses the wave function. Hence it is neither a measurement, or our consciousness, influencing the particle.
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How would that relate to the persistence of life after death?
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04-19-2020, 10:41 AM | #69598 (permalink) |
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Sorry for my interjections but if there’s something about consciousness that extends beyond biology you don’t have stone cold proof it dies with this person.
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The interest in quantum mechanics, outside of how it challenges our perceptions of the principles that underpin reality, is that there are enough threads and inconsistencies from both experimentation and theory in this field to give rise to the idea that human beings are "more" than just instinct and that our thoughts and sense of self have "weight" beyond mere brain function.
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04-19-2020, 11:31 AM | #69600 (permalink) |
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Sometimes I think there should be a quantum physics fallacies because every time someone wants to argue in favor of something counterintuitive or even seemingly impossible the point to quantum physics and say see the impossible is possible.
Does Penrose deal with the problem of causation? Just because observing something changes the outcome doesn’t necessarily mean the observation causes the change. The answer could be found in panpsychism. The photons know they’re being observed. ****ing both are absurd but the whole goddamn thing seems impossible so something is going on.
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