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OccultHawk · 09-16-2020, 02:11 AM

I understand the difference between sex and gender.

What you’ll never get is that social constructs are biological. You do the bigoted disservice of reducing it to respecting pronouns. It’s very condescending and factually wrong.

If you want to start a fight where there is none have it with the several men and women inside your consciousness.

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if a woman is infertile, is she now not a woman?

What a mundane simplistic and meaningless question.

She’s still a woman. Great point. Men and women don’t make babies. I already threw in the towel. Men are women. Tell me nobody is saying that you transphobe.

OccultHawk · 09-16-2020, 03:55 AM

It’s transphobic of you to pretend to be their spokesperson.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

u mad

Social constructs are biological? What do you even mean by that?

Oh god don’t go Casper again. There is NOTHING that can be experienced that isn’t biological. Until you understand this consider the discussion closed.

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It's not just out of humanity that you'd recognize trans as valid. It's logical.

OK Spock

OccultHawk · 09-16-2020, 04:07 AM

Closed up, Casper.

Psy-Fi · 09-16-2020, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

lotta leftists are naive in thinking economic arguments don't matter

ftfy.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I have a theory that any capital L Libertarian who lives in an Austin flop house has a parent or two standing between them and homelessness. A lot of people who can still call their mommy might think pronouns > property. There’s no one on earth in such living quarters advocating for no safety net whatsoever unless they got another one.

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~~jwb~~ · 09-16-2020, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I have a theory that any capital L Libertarian who lives in an Austin flop house has a parent or two standing between them and homelessness. A lot of people who can still call their mommy might think pronouns > property. There’s no one on earth in such living quarters advocating for no safety net whatsoever unless they got another one.

Not that I'm siding with elph on the tranny route being the best way, but if you don't realize that a vast number of poor people indeed buy into the mantra of personal responsability etc that libertarians espouse then you just don't know that many poor people

I know it hurts to recognize but life doesn't map onto your ideology perfectly, and people especially are far from rational.

~~jwb~~ · 09-16-2020, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

whether they know it I think advocating for no safety net is not got nuthin to do with the deficit

nobody actually cares about nitty gritty **** like that

what (I think) is happening in their head is something like

safety net = nurture = womanly = dumb or silly

yeah... You're completely out of touch too lol

What they're thinking about is "I don't wanna have to pay for the next guy." If you try explaining they benefit disproportionately based on income... They aren't quite smart enough to understand that math.

Plus like Steinbeck says... The reason socialism never took off in America is because poor people in America see themselves not as an oppressed proletariat but temporarily embarrassed millionaires

WWWP · 09-16-2020, 06:07 PM

Liberals quote Steinbeck?

~~jwb~~ · 09-16-2020, 06:08 PM

Maybe? I'm not sure what you're even referring to but what I said is generally true. Poor people who are economically conservative are basically put under the delusion it's their money they are being conservative with. They defintely aren't thinking funding welfare is a gender norm lol. If that were the case you would see some significant gender difference in the support of said policies within the party.

~~jwb~~ · 09-16-2020, 06:18 PM

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i'm not totally convinced that it's about that and not just a reflection of identity politics, the "culture war" whatever you want to call it

my exp talking to poor rural southerners when I lived in a trailer park was that immigration was THE MOST important issue shortly followed by an incredible seething hysterical hatred for Hillary Clinton

uh yeah... Those are the issues the Republicans rope them in on... We were talking about economics specifically and how they justify those values.

The Batlord · 09-16-2020, 06:22 PM

I'd call LARPy settler mentality "I don't need no help from the gubment cause I'm a ****in cowboy" to be more of an identity politics thing than a true economic position. And that's true for a lot of middle class conservatives as well even if they're not consciously thinking in such Americana terms.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Maybe? I'm not sure what you're even referring to but what I said is generally true. Poor people who are economically conservative are basically put under the delusion it's their money they are being conservative with. They defintely aren't thinking funding welfare is a gender norm lol. If that were the case you would see some significant gender difference in the support of said policies within the party.