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Old 07-28-2019, 01:24 AM   #63391 (permalink)
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That **** made me so depressed I had to stop reading it.
It's so ****ing annoying and dumb how people who never read the book try to paint it as pedo propaganda.
It's so, so not.
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Old 07-28-2019, 04:00 AM   #63392 (permalink)
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It's so ****ing annoying and dumb how people who never read the book try to paint it as pedo propaganda.
It's so, so not.
Uncle Tom’s Cabin is similarly misunderstood by people who haven’t read it.
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Old 07-28-2019, 04:22 AM   #63393 (permalink)
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so what is it?

preliminary question:

what are your thoughts on bukowski
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Old 07-28-2019, 05:21 AM   #63394 (permalink)
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It's so ****ing annoying and dumb how people who never read the book try to paint it as pedo propaganda.
It's so, so not.
I think you'd have to be a pedophile to think that if you have read it.
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Old 07-28-2019, 06:00 AM   #63395 (permalink)
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so what is it?

preliminary question:

what are your thoughts on bukowski
Who’s this directed at? And what is what? And are you working toward Ginsberg?
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Old 07-28-2019, 06:13 AM   #63396 (permalink)
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I think you'd have to be a pedophile to think that if you have read it.
That's why only people who haven't read it seem to bitch.
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Old 07-28-2019, 06:33 AM   #63397 (permalink)
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That's why only people who haven't read it seem to bitch.
Well, people have become hysterical about the subject. Lolita the character was sexually enticing. She lived a tragic life and briefly enjoying her early pubescent sexuality was a rare enjoyable moment for her. Today, many people are so hung up about it or so scared of being labeled that they reject the notion that there’s such a thing as sexual beauty in early female pubescence. Even though Nabokov portrays Lolita as one who suffers her character still has nuance and ambiguity (even if it has to be seen through the goggles of an unpleasant narrator) it’s not in your face no nuance no ambiguity crap writing that today’s audience will demand. And...

Spoiler for “spoilertagforMM”:
at the end he still loves Lolita even though she’s older - giving the old man even more humanity and HOW DARE THIS ****ING PERVERT RAPIST BE HUMAN???
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tbh I knew nothing about this book but it sounds interesting
It's 100% essential. Fully unassailable. Even without the plot, just the writing is so ****ing gold. There’s no way on earth you won’t love it.
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Old 07-28-2019, 06:40 AM   #63399 (permalink)
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Yeah, Nabokov's refusal to be all moralist and unambiguous about this **** really triggers people.

Still have to read the book in English btw
I hate translations and read the originals whenever possible but Nabokov translated it into Russian himself, so I don't feel as weird about it. But while my English rocks and I don't have trouble reading complex literature, Nabokov's style can still be pretty damn challenging.
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Old 07-28-2019, 09:11 AM   #63400 (permalink)
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Speaking of relapse one of my roommates comes stumbling in drunk last night talking about he went downtown with 20 bucks and got tore up cause people kept buying him drinks. Like he was looking for my approval or something. I told him do what you're gonna do.
Same dude just dodged work yesterday and came home drunk again. One thing the program won't tolerate is missing work. They're gonna piss test him for sure.
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