white males in that community are part of a marginalized group so of course they experience injustice.

I tried to find that statistic online but I couldn't, so I'm thinking it's either from an obscure source, you're exaggerating, or you're just wrong. Assuming by position of power you mean political or high on a corporate ladder, this problem has long since been debunked with the wage gap. Men simply work more than women, on average. In fact, let me break out a picture to explain things to you.



I got into an argument with one of my friends recently on whether or not 3rd wave feminism was necessary (which it isn't) and she brought up the idea that there are less female CEOs and women in the film industry. If people honestly believe in 2016 that this is an issue of sexism or oppression and not just because of personal interests.

By your logic everyone on earth is oppressed because everyone faces some form of social injustice in varying degrees.

Eh I can see ingrained sexism making it difficult for a woman to compete in that field but that's super difficult to prove, let alone fix. I think both are at play tbh, but sexism doesn't play nearly as massive of a role in it as some people make it out to.

That's so artificial though, it doesn't actually address the root of that issue, it just kind of slaps a bandaid on it.

But the leading wage gap statistic that's always mentioned is a comparison of overall wages, not for the same position (because that number is much smaller).

I recently looked into it and the reasoning for this gap is because of the type of jobs. If they are getting paid less for the same positions it is because they didn't negotiate for better wages. Men are better at negotiated for wages than women are. It plays into how society tells women that they shouldn't be demanding and they end up not fighting for a better wage when they are able to negotiate their salaries or they straight up don't bring the same skills to the table.

Men and Women in the service industry specifically fast food industry get paid the same wages.

That was just one example but even if they aren't being paid minimum they have equal wages in other fields as well. As long as that field isn't a field where they have the ability to negotiate for a higher wage during the hiring process.

It falls back to the responsibility of the individual to ask to be paid more for their skill set.

It's also women's lack of confidence that plays into it and how they view themselves as far as not wanting to be bitchy/aggressive in the workplace.

I just want to point out, with regard to your graphic, that it's quite short-sighted.

You can't just tease apart these things and say "Well this evens this out". It's just not that simple. For example, the graphic says that men "choose" the highest paid fields, but is that really the end of it? You don't think that decades of assumptions about men's versus women's talents in something like math factors into it? You don't think men are more likely to get accepted into graduate programs in departments like engineering? You don't think that stereotypes about the nurturing nature of women factor into their presence in careers like psychology, social work, and nursing?

And I'm not saying it ends there either. You can come back at me and tell me how nursing and social work are biased against men, and you'd probably be right. You could come back at me and say that neurocognitively, men tend to outperform women in tasks of spatial orientation or logical reasoning. Then I'd mention "stereotype threat" to you, but it'd only be one part of the picture.

Inequality is one of the MOST COMPLICATED problems we face in society because it's deeply engrained in the fabric of our psychology and how we've constructed a society, and there is no single thing that we can tweak that will fix it and let it all fall into place. Inequality acts and is compounded at SO MANY levels.

Point is, everybody suffers some kind of discrimination in society. Instead of denying that this is true (because everyone wants to be the biggest victim when it comes to human rights), can we not acknowledge all of these areas at the same time, and work towards treating everyone better?

It's just not possible to say "X is the biggest problem. Once we solve X, everything will fall into place".

I agree 100% with everything you just said PB. There's a reason why men had higher paid professions in the past, just like there's a reason why there's more men in these powerful political positions discussed earlier by elphanor. My point is the issue is ingrained in society and the way we think, it has nothing to do with women just "making less" than men, it's not a black and white issue.

I also think the statistic regarding women in there 20s making more than men is quite interesting. I believe that graph has it wrong because I've heard 4% a lot more than 8%, but nonetheless it shows a strong change in numbers.

I wonder if it has anything to do with women being more willing to commit to staying in a post-secondary Institute for longer. That's a totally anecdotal guess, but from what I've seen men seem to, on average, seem more determined to jump right into the work force whereas women take more care to ensure they're in the best position possible when entering (I.e higher degree, better education.)

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& c/s Ped.

Well, first off, I'd take any floating statistic with a grain of salt. The thing about science is that you can spin it any way you want. E.g., without seeing the source study for that particular fact, we don't know if it's "women of these ages earn 8% more but the study was done in a particular field or region". The precision of words used when reporting science needs to border on philosophical pedantry, but often doesn't.

That said, I can't imagine anybody earning money while attending post secondary education, but that's a personal anecdote. :laughing:

Urbandictionary couldn't tell me what that meant. :(

oh right yeah, if they spent more time in university they certainly wouldn't make more money during those years. well there goes that idea.

Co sign. I'm agreeing with you.

There was some kind of Men's festival set up by a feminist recently in England, and they had another one a few years ago. Here's the link: https://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/wh...es/being-a-man

I don't actually think Men's Rights were discussed by any of the speakers.

Well that's just bad on a false advertising standpoint.

As long as the feminists showed the men their tits as a way of saying thanks then it's all good.

Somebody hasn't met a feminist before

Have you seen the feminist tit march? They're all about flashing their boobies.

He's got a point Qwerty.

Type 'still not asking for it' into Google images.

Yeah but those aren't the good titties, those are annoying **** titties.

Even dykes can have nice jugs.

Aren't you a feminist qwertyy? I recall you saying that once.

In the literal sense, yeah. Not in this wanky 3rd wave sense.

The meta subtext of this conversation is killing me.

I wanna hatefuck feminists and motorboat their nat geos is what I'm saying, nicest person on MB.

I can't shake the idea that "nat geos" is short for "national geographics". Is that a thing? Do people say that?

It's a thing, though not much said. And it is short for National Geographic, cause native chick tits.

That's actually kind of clever, albeit in quite a stupid way.

That's "The Batlord" for ya.

I agree

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I heard it on TMZ, the greatest show ever, so...

Rape?

A hatefuck is mutual. Both parties despise the other but are attracted to each other for some ****ed up reason, and the mutual dislike somehow enhances the experience through choking and ****. I assume, as all of my hateful relationships have resulted in middle fingers rather than penetration.

Nothing better than making up via a hatefuck that gradually turns into a lovefuck.

It's a race to see whether me and Frown or me and Roxy make up via hatefuck first.

One of the better talks on the subject that I've seen.

The Red Pill is out on torrent if people wanna do some illegal stuff.