Why does there seem to be a stigma attached to advocate for Men's Rights?

DwnWthVwls · 05-03-2017, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

I don't agree with you - you must be dense.

Just stop fellas.

Oh, and I've witnessed two births up close. It doesn't just fall off.

And you're calling me dense? Also it contains two of your arteries along with a vein and it's most certainly a "part of you" up until they CUT it off.

Really? Maybe not, in the time frame you want because you have something against human nature... Tell me how if it doesn't fall of naturally why we aren't all walking around with the stump they leave behind after cutting.

It really is amazing the lengths you'll go through to argue points based on opinion when there are facts that contradict you.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2...-cut-the-cord/

http://www.albertahealthservices.ca/...l-cord-faq.pdf

Newborn Umbilical Cord Care :: Nationwide Children's Hospital

Chula Vista · 05-03-2017, 01:43 PM

Clamping something so that it dies because of lack of blood flow after 24 hours in no way resembles clamping something and then cutting it off. OK.

Sorry if I was unaware that the new age practice differs from what I witnessed first hand. Twice.

And Frowny, do you even spend a few seconds trying to comprehend my points? Or do you simply just hop on the keyboard and put on your snarky hat?

A pot shouldn't call a kettle black.

Isborn: The only point I was trying to make is that other than my own ballpark frank - which I see on a regular basis - the only other franks I see are via porn. And 99% are snipped. A trend is a trend is a trend.

The original conversation here steered towards trying to link male circumcism with female genital mutilation as if to equate the two to make a point about unapproved violation. That wasn't my doing. I'm just commenting on the absurdity of that.

My frank is freaking beautiful BTW. At least Linny thinks so. And she's spent a ton more time up close and personal with it than I have.

**Goofle** · 05-03-2017, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

The original conversation here steered towards trying to link male circumcism with female genital mutilation as if to equate the two to make a point about unapproved violation. That wasn't my doing. I'm just commenting on the absurdity of that.

The only link was to point out that one is legal and one isn't, nobody arguing against MGM was equating the seriousness of either. Though it's fair to say that both are barbaric practices.

DwnWthVwls · 05-03-2017, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

The original conversation here steered towards trying to link male circumcism with female genital mutilation as if to equate the two to make a point about unapproved violation. That wasn't my doing. I'm just commenting on the absurdity of that.

Except it wasn't.. We aren't trying to equate the two, we are arguing that both are violations of human rights.

Like I said earlier, murdering and breaking the speed limit are BOTH breaking the law, even though they are not closely related. Circumcisions and FGM are BOTH violations of human rights, even though they are not equal. It's really not that complicated.

**Frownland** · 05-03-2017, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Clamping something so that it dies because of lack of blood flow after 24 hours in no way resembles clamping something and then cutting it off. OK.

It's not really a preferable method, although I'm sure there's some whacko out there who promotes it, but an umbilical cord will objectively fall off without intervention. A foreskin does not.

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Sorry if I was unaware that the new age practice differs from what I witnessed first hand. Twice.

This is actually why anecdotal evidence is not evidence in the slightest. Your--no, NOBODY's experience is an accurate reflection of reality since it's such a tiny cross section of what is actually out there.

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And Frowny, do you even spend a few seconds trying to comprehend my points? Or do you simply just hop on the keyboard and put on your snarky hat?

Please explain where I misunderstood. It would be beneficial to both of us.

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My frank is freaking beautiful BTW. At least Linny thinks so. And she's spent a ton more time up close and personal with it than I have.

We're discussing the ethics of circumcision, so when you come in with something like this it really really sounds like you value aesthetics over ethics. It also sounds like you think the popularity of something justifies it because you keep bringing up how common it is. Do either of these reflect how you feel? Because that is what it reads like.

**Frownland** · 05-03-2017, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Listen guys, I don't come to this place as if I'm stepping into a high school debate contest.

Well it is what you set yourself up for when you thrust yourself into this kind of discussion.

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I'm not looking for "points" in an effort to win anything. I say my piece, you say yours. No-one's minds are going to get changed.

Actually, if your piece is clearer and more logical than mine, I would be open to changing my views. Debate is an opportunity to judge the quality of our own views, it would be foolish to write off other views that are more logical just because it doesn't align with my former views. For example, I used to view circumcision similarly to how you do before I really started debating and thinking on the matter.

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- I happen to know someone who had to get it done for medical purposes.
- I happen to know he suffered pretty bad afterwards.
- I'm happy my parents chose to have me done when I was a newborn.

Anecdotal evidence. Toss it in the trash. https://thelogicofscience.com/2016/0...lly-worthless/

I could use botched circumcisions that resulted in castration as a point against the practice, but since that's more an issue with medical training and equipment, I won't fall back on it. I'd appreciate it if you at least attempted to match that kind of intellectual honesty.

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- I noted that the vast majority of pro dicks are snipped.
- I noted that over 80% of US males are snipped.

Neat! How does this establish a moral grounding of the practice though? Are you suggesting that popular things are inherently good?

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- I noted that it's done to females purely to limit their sexuality.

Stop equating male and female circumcision.

Isbjørn · 05-03-2017, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Stop equating male and female circumcision.

He didn't, he was pointing out the difference between them.

**Frownland** · 05-03-2017, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Isbjørn

He didn't, he was pointing out the difference between them.

If someone never has a conversation about one without bringing up the other, it suggests that they equate the two on some level. Or maybe they want to use it as reasoning to dismiss opposing opinions a la "all lives matter."

Isbjørn · 05-03-2017, 01:54 PM

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If someone never has a conversation about one without bringing up the other, it suggests that they equate the two on some level. Or maybe they want to use it as reasoning to dismiss opposing opinions a la "all lives matter."

Fair point, blah

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Isborn: The only point I was trying to make is that other than my own ballpark frank - which I see on a regular basis - the only other franks I see are via porn. And 99% are snipped. A trend is a trend is a trend.

And likewise, I've never seen a circumzised schnapper irl

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

The original conversation here steered towards trying to link male circumcism with female genital mutilation as if to equate the two to make a point about unapproved violation. That wasn't my doing. I'm just commenting on the absurdity of that.

While I don't agree with you on everything you've said, you're right about the absurdity of equating the two types of circumcision. Someone had to bring some nuance to the discussion.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 05-03-2017, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

If a girl is born with huge beef curtains can we trim them to prevent infections and because they don't look pretty?

Edit: I noted a lot of things and you haven't addressed a single one of them.

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Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Clamping something so that it dies because of lack of blood flow after 24 hours in no way resembles clamping something and then cutting it off. OK. Sorry if I was unaware that the new age practice differs from what I witnessed first hand. Twice. And Frowny, do you even spend a few seconds trying to comprehend my points? Or do you simply just hop on the keyboard and put on your snarky hat? A pot shouldn't call a kettle black. Isborn: The only point I was trying to make is that other than my own ballpark frank - which I see on a regular basis - the only other franks I see are via porn. And 99% are snipped. A trend is a trend is a trend. The original conversation here steered towards trying to link male circumcism with female genital mutilation as if to equate the two to make a point about unapproved violation. That wasn't my doing. I'm just commenting on the absurdity of that. My frank is freaking beautiful BTW. At least Linny thinks so. And she's spent a ton more time up close and personal with it than I have. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”