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View Poll Results: Which is your favourite?
Sunshine 2 20.00%
Nothing Under the Sun 4 40.00%
The Hourglass 2 20.00%
The Last Captain 2 20.00%
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Old 07-09-2017, 01:13 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I'm reading the entries tomorrow and submitting my vote and thoughts. Just got to Chicago. The next three days are me doing nothing so tomorrow it is.
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Old 07-09-2017, 06:32 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Next time I'm gonna try to write something good
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Old 07-10-2017, 05:32 AM   #43 (permalink)
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I'm kinda surprised by the feedback Nothing Under The Sun has gotten. Everyone seems to think that I had something in mind when I wrote it (like I was trying to be as profane as possible, or trying to take a dig at experimental music, or trying to offer an explanation at the end, or that Logan was based off of Frownland ).

I actually based Logan more off of Chula, and a conversation that I had with him a long time ago in Plug. The dialogue was simply written the way that I heard the characters talking in my head, most of them frustrated musicians who have no need to stand on ceremony. And the ending was based off of the feeling that every prospective pioneer eventually feels, the chill and the horror in their heart when they reach the peak of a mountain and find a flag already planted there. The ending isn't supposed to be an explanation. It's meant to be a joke. Because when you eventually find yourself in that situation, laughing is all that you can do to keep from letting yourself fall from the mountain.
Firstly, I was messing about Frownland, just trying to annoy him. Secondly, it's the last lines that say "this is what happened", and sorry, but it is an explanation, or comes across as one. If it had ended with them listening to the music and (if this were on TV for instance) Logan smiling knowingly, or if he had said something cryptic like "a lot of love went into that" or something then ok, but you basically - and sorry to harp on at you about it, but you absolutely did - explained it at the end, removing any doubt or ambiguity the reader might have had - oh God! Did he really - no, he couldn't have! Did he?

I loved it up to then, and it's still the best of the bunch for me, but the ending made it suck a little and was a disappointment.

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Old 07-10-2017, 06:21 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Firstly, I was messing about Frownland, just trying to annoy him. Secondly, it's the last lines that say "this is what happened", and sorry, but it is an explanation, or comes across as one. If it had ended with them listening to the music and (if this were on TV for instance) Logan smiling knowingly, or if he had said something cryptic like "a lot of love went into that" or something then ok, but you basically - and sorry to harp on at you about it, but you absolutely did - explained it at the end, removing any doubt or ambiguity the reader might have had - oh God! Did he really - no, he couldn't have! Did he?

I loved it up to then, and it's still the best of the bunch for me, but the ending made it suck a little and was a disappointment.
What else did you think Logan was going to do after putting a tarp down, telling his wife he loved her, and then approaching her with closed fists?

But I sort of get how you feel, because after writing the story and reading it back to myself, I hated the ending. In fact, I hated the whole story. I especially hated how Logan beats Regina to death. I thought about making it vague and ambiguous, or making it seem like Regina had died, only to reveal that Logan had actually killed himself (streaming his song and his death live as it happened). But in the end, I thought about why I wrote the story, the whole point of it, and decided to keep the original ending. The point I wanted to make would have been weakened by ambiguity. I wanted you to know exactly what he did. And in fact, I'm really happy that I got you to hope so strongly that something, anything, else could have happened, before being forced to accept what really happened.

The ending isn't an explanation, because by that point, you already knew what had happened and why it had happened. To pull a "What a TWIST!!!" moment would have cheapened the purity of it.

I mean, I love ambiguity. Some horror is improved by leaving things unanswered, and forcing the reader to inject their own fears into the story to fill in the blanks. But some horror is exactly the opposite. Sometimes, it's what you know beyond doubt that scares you. It's like finding a tumor on yourself in the shower, examining it, and realizing that it can't possibly be anything else. At that point, ambiguity becomes a comfort, telling yourself all the benign things it could be. But the ambiguity fades, and the horror of certainty overwhelms you. It is a tumor, and you're too poor to see a doctor. You are going to die. That's the kind of hopelessness that I want to tap into. I know I'm not that great of a writer right now, but hopefully I'll get better as I go.
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Old 07-10-2017, 05:07 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Like, I didn't know my story was such an unremarkable disaster. Length probably works against it too then, just four posts of nothing
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Old 07-10-2017, 05:16 PM   #46 (permalink)
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It didn't suck but it was pretty clearly in the rough draft stages tbh. Also like I told you via PM, the gull and naked man characters laid everything out on the table too bluntly. I think the story would be improved a lot by making those two characters more ominous and cryptic.

I wish I had finished mine, but I guess the intro to my story is good enough for some. Basically, he keeps slipping in and out of reality as he decides to stop mutilating himself and keep time by making notches in the captain's log after committing it to memory. Suddenly as he is dozing, he finds himself trapped inside of the hourglass. He's trying to escape and knocks the hourglass off of the desk while still inside it, shattering once it reaches the floor. He comes to lying next go the glass and sand and comes to terms with the fact that he can't keep track of time anymore. Suddenly he sees something peering in through the door window and he goes outside thinking that it's Hendrick. He's chasing the figure that he can't make out because of the flooding rain when he tackles it. Flipping them over he learns that it's an emaciated, faceless man. Horrified, he brutally murders the man before asking any questions. He goes back inside, shaking and looks to the mess on the ground. He sees himself in the reflection of the glass, and that most of his scabs had been washed off in the rain. He gets a closer look and realize that his face structure has changed to something familiar: Hendrick. It mind****s him bad. The story ends with him aimlessly drifting, looking for land.

Tl;dr it turns out the main character is the flying Dutchman.
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Well you already know that I'm not good with extraordinary ideas. I rushed to the finish so I could submit it in this weak ass contest.

My stories are whack and clumsy before I even start writing
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Old 07-11-2017, 09:12 AM   #48 (permalink)
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And I break the tie. I liked the use of swearing Ori.
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Now debate Exo about the quality of your ending.
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