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Marie Monday 11-20-2020 12:31 AM

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

The Batlord 11-20-2020 01:20 AM

Almost all of them refuse to murder people.

jwb 11-20-2020 09:17 AM

Probably why I don't care for the genre.

WWWP 11-21-2020 03:47 PM

Inqueery:

In identity and presentation, where on a spectrum of masculine to feminine do you fall? If high femme is (+)10, high masc is (-)10, and androgyny is 0, where would you place yourself? And does that placement remain static or is it fluid for you?

Bonus question:
Top, bottom, or switch?

Marie Monday 11-21-2020 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2145410)
Inqueery:

In identity and presentation, where on a spectrum of masculine to feminine do you fall? If high femme is (+)10, high masc is (-)10, and androgyny is 0, where would you place yourself? And does that placement remain static or is it fluid for you?

2.
I've tried not to be as androgynous in my teens so outwardly it has changed a little bit, but inwardly it has been exactly like that since puberty. Before that I'd say 0, but children are inherently more androgynous I think
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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2145410)
Bonus question:
Top, bottom, or switch?

switch, inclining to bottom

goldendoodle 11-21-2020 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2145410)
Inqueery:

In identity and presentation, where on a spectrum of masculine to feminine do you fall? If high femme is (+)10, high masc is (-)10, and androgyny is 0, where would you place yourself? And does that placement remain static or is it fluid for you?

Bonus question:
Top, bottom, or switch?

1st question: God this is such a complicated subject for me. It's always been inextricably tied to my current level of confusion (as it's always varied wildly!!!!) about my sexual orientation AND my current level of body dysmorphia. BUT purely in terms of presentation, I'm probably around.. a 7?? I don't really wear makeup (or heels, or anything overly tedious like that) aside from eyeliner, undereye concealer and tinted lip balm. My clothing style alternates between Cozy Gender-Neutral Grandpa, Chaotic Femme and Vaguely Tomboyish. I've always wished I could pull off the whole androgynous & flamboyant Tilda Swinton/Villanelle thing but I just don't have the bone structure for it (so I tend to settle with more of a tomboyish thing instead, on days I feel compelled to do so)
Now as for identity I. Do not know!!!! I recently decided to stop overanalyzing it so much because I was driving myself crazy.

Bonus question: Switch

WWWP 11-21-2020 04:09 PM

Additional question:
Do you know your big three?

Marie Monday 11-21-2020 04:15 PM

big three?

goldendoodle 11-21-2020 04:16 PM

I also do not know what Big Three is! o__o (fetishes maybe?)

WWWP 11-21-2020 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by goldendoodle (Post 2145417)
1st question: God this is such a complicated subject for me. It's always been inextricably tied to my current level of confusion (as it's always varied wildly!!!!) about my sexual orientation AND my current level of body dysmorphia. BUT purely in terms of presentation, I'm probably around.. a 7?? I don't really wear makeup (or heels, or anything overly tedious like that) aside from eyeliner, undereye concealer and tinted lip balm. My clothing style alternates between Cozy Gender-Neutral Grandpa, Chaotic Femme and Vaguely Tomboyish. I've always wished I could pull off the whole androgynous & flamboyant Tilda Swinton/Villanelle thing but I just don't have the bone structure for it (so I tend to settle with more of a tomboyish thing instead, on days I feel compelled to do so)
Now as for identity I. Do not know!!!! I recently decided to stop overanalyzing it so much because I was driving myself crazy.

Bonus question: Switch

Omg, so much the bolded, fuck!

I think it's a really good thing to not overanalyze your identity, especially if it's fluid - like maybe who you are changes like the seasons, maybe you're not meant for stasis. That said I know that internally not having that clarity will also drive you mad, particularly because we humans love to categorize things, and see where we fit within those established structures.

I suspect though, that we can't even fathom the intricacies and nuances and endless possibilities of gender identity and sexual orientation because it's never been prioritized as a worthy endeavor, and those that do dig deeper or push the question further are typically ostracized and othered and at best kept on the fringes of society.

Imagine if we valued self discovery as a species as much as we do military prowess, or keeping up with the Jones'. I think that is changing, (god bless gen z ily) albeit slowly, and I'm glad to be a witness. What a damn shame of a setback though, like the Dark Ages of introspection.



Sorry I'm not smoking weed right now and this is what my brain does not on drugs, I could keep going until I've answered all my own questions lmao

WWWP 11-21-2020 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2145419)
big three?

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Originally Posted by goldendoodle (Post 2145420)
I also do not know what Big Three is! o__o (fetishes maybe?)

I KNEW IT!!!! I was told all lesbians know what the big three are, that bitch lied to me.

Big three is in reference to astrology lol, Sun, Moon, and Rising signs. :)

goldendoodle 11-21-2020 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2145425)
I KNEW IT!!!! I was told all lesbians know what the big three are, that bitch lied to me.

Big three is in reference to astrology lol, Sun, Moon, and Rising signs. :)

oOoh duh of course!!!

Aquarius sun, Cancer moon, and Taurus rising, how about you?? (also definitely will reply to your last post about the whole fluid identity stuff when I have time later because it's a super interesting topic that I, too can go on and on about!)

edit: one thing I've noticed regarding the Big Three is that a LOT of times, one's best friends/significant others' moon sign will be the same as your sun sign. I've seen this more times than I can count when looking up others' charts.

Marie Monday 11-21-2020 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2145425)
I KNEW IT!!!! I was told all lesbians know what the big three are, that bitch lied to me.

Big three is in reference to astrology lol, Sun, Moon, and Rising signs. :)

She sure did. I have absolutely no clue what mine are though

Marie Monday 11-21-2020 04:59 PM

About gender and sexual identity: if I get what WWWP means I think that any categorisation of gender or sexuality is artificial and in the ideal case the trend of exploring those things will lead to just abandoning those categories altogether. The paradox is that, as long as we don't live in that perfect world, creating some more categories to give a name to certain (groups of) indentities is very useful as a form of validation that these identities exist. Categories have a nice in-your-face quality. (Especially when being hetero or cis is still the norm it's very convenient if people can be like 'I'M NON-BINARY, THAT IS A THING LOOK IT UP') So I think it's a difficult balance between those two forces.

It is amazing how fast the attitude about it is changing, with not labelling your own sexuality, LGBT+ alliances/groups etc. becoming almost a norm in many young communities. I think it started to happen in a generation just a few years younger than me *insert crying cat meme* but it's beautiful to witness

WWWP 11-21-2020 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by goldendoodle (Post 2145426)
oOoh duh of course!!!

Aquarius sun, Cancer moon, and Taurus rising, how about you?? (also definitely will reply to your last post about the whole fluid identity stuff when I have time later because it's a super interesting topic that I, too can go on and on about!)

edit: one thing I've noticed regarding the Big Three is that a LOT of times, one's best friends/significant others' moon sign will be the same as your sun sign. I've seen this more times than I can count when looking up others' charts.

I'm also Aquarius sun, with Leo moon, and Leo rising. That's an interesting theory! I've noticed a lot of complimentary placements in the people I'm close with, my romantic interest is Capricorn/Aries/Virgo, so where I have two fire placements she has two earth, and my Aquarius sun brings air to the fire. It sounds destructive, but it's really regenerative - like on some Phoenixes rising from the ashes tip.

Do you use Co-Star? If so, add me! @ikillhouseplants


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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2145427)
She sure did. I have absolutely no clue what mine are though

https://astro.cafeastrology.com/natal.php

If you're curious at all this is a good site to find out. Or if you want to just to dm me your birth date and time I can do it for you! lol

WWWP 11-21-2020 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2145430)
About gender and sexual identity: if I get what WWWP means I think that any categorisation of gender or sexuality is artificial and in the ideal case the trend of exploring those things will lead to just abandoning those categories altogether. The paradox is that, as long as we don't live in that perfect world, creating some more categories to give a name to certain (groups of) indentities is very useful as a form of validation that these identities exist. Categories have a nice in-your-face quality. (Especially when being hetero or cis is still the norm it's very convenient if people can be like 'I'M NON-BINARY, THAT IS A THING LOOK IT UP') So I think it's a difficult balance between those two forces.

It is amazing how fast the attitude about it is changing, with not labelling your own sexuality, LGBT+ alliances/groups etc. becoming almost a norm in many young communities. I think it started to happen in a generation just a few years younger than me *insert crying cat meme* but it's beautiful to witness

100% yes to all of this, you got it girl. God the number of times I've wondered how different my life would be if I knew as a youngling it didn't have to be just one way.

WWWP 11-21-2020 07:21 PM

Marie:

Sun is in Leo
The Sun represents vitality, a sense of individuality, and outward-shining creative energy.

Spoiler for Leo Sun:
There's an unmistakably regal air to Solar Leos. These are dignified--even noble--folk. Leos have a reputation for being conceited, but think again. Leos do feel important, but this generally takes the form of wanting to change the world in some way--to make the world a better place. They are generally motivated by affection for people, and often have big dreams and plans to make people happy.

Generally, Leos are hard-working. After all, they are attracted to the good things in life, and they know they have to work to get them. It is sometimes difficult to imagine Leos as go-getters if you happen to catch them in one of their languid moods. These people can sleep in, laze around, and luxuriate for long periods of time. However, when they do get to work, they do it with intensity and determination. In this way, they are not unlike their symbol, the lion. The worst thing you can do to a Leo is accuse them of bad intentions. Displaying behavior that makes them think you don't appreciate them runs a close second. These happy, jovial people become mighty hurt when others don't see them for their noble intentions.

Loyal, and sometimes rather traditional, Leos are, after all, a fixed sign. They'll hold on to situations and people for a very long time before they give up. There is an unmistakable idealism to Leo's view of the world and the people in it. Often, Leos have a very noble inner code that they answer to. Although on the surface, Leos appear rather confident, they can actually be some of the most humble souls around. They are the first to blame themselves when something goes wrong. Once again, it's the Leonine self-importance at work, and this characteristic works in unexpected ways. Instead of being the conceited, self-absorbed show-offs of reputation, they are usually very self-aware, self-conscious, and, yes, even humble.

Short description:

She is masterful, she likes authority, she aspires toward an ideal. She likes to give advice. She is honest, frank, loyal, open, and sincere.

Possible issues: pride, vanity, arrogance, presumption and disdain for others.


Moon in Virgo
The Moon represents the emotional responses, unconscious pre-destination, and the self-image. The Moon represents the emotions, and the Moon sign shows how a person expresses themselves when at home, at ease, and comfortable.

Spoiler for Virgo Moon:
Lunar Virgos find security in the little things in life. They feel most content when they've straightened out all the details of everyday life. Many of them enjoy running errands, paying bills, and balancing the books. They take care of these things happily, although some won't let on. In fact, many Lunar Virgos are quite practiced at nagging and complaining. As long as they are appreciated, however, these people will help you take care of your life, too. They are at their best when they feel useful and needed. If somebody needs help, they are generally the first to jump up and take on the task.

Some people with Virgo Moons are accused of being underachievers. While it may be true that Lunar Virgos can lack self-confidence, many are--quite simply--content with living "regular", unassuming lives. They appreciate simplicity, and are often most comfortable when they're not getting too much attention from the world at large. Lunar Virgos are easily overwhelmed by pressure and stress. They worry incessantly when there is too much to think about; and they know their limits. Arguably the worst position for a Lunar Virgo is without a steady routine or a simply satisfying job. They need to feel useful, and they best express this by helping others in little ways. They need something to call their own, and the space to do what they want to do. The unhappy Lunar Virgos are fussy and complaining sorts. They are victims of routine and freak out when their plans are not followed. They are restless and nervous, and can't seem to see the big picture. Probably the best remedy for these people is a job or hobby in which they can express their deep need to analyze, attend to details, and micromanage.

These people express their affection for the people they care about in little, but practical, ways. They can be a little stiff when it comes to open, gushy displays of affection. Lunar Virgos are often shy with new people. However, when they are comfortable, they are anything but shy. More often than not, others can count on Moon in Virgo people. They are reliable and trustworthy. Above all else, Lunar Virgos are practical. Others turn to them for help and advice. In relationships, Lunar Virgos can be self-effacing and kind. Some are quite shy in love, and easily intimidated on a sexual level. Many are not very comfortable with their sexuality, but they aim to please nonetheless. The sign of Virgo is very body-aware, in general. If this awareness combines with a lack of self-confidence, Lunar Virgos can be too aware of the parts that make up the whole. This can lead to a tendency to be intensely self-critical. Once Lunar Virgos learn to come out of their shell, however, they can be earthy partners with a lot to give.

Some of the most skeptical people are Lunar Virgos. They can't help but poke holes when faced with others' blind faith. Their criticism can be maddening, and their insistence on seeing the practical in anything emotional can be challenging, especially if you are the dreamy type. Virgo curiosity shows up big time with this position of the Moon. To some, it can be confusing. Lunar Virgos seem very interested in others' problems, for example, but can be quite cool and even unsympathetic in the long run. Their advice can seem hard to more sensitive folk; yet Lunar Virgos can be surprisingly delicate when faced with others' criticism. Virgo Moon people are generally busy and quietly happy when they have their lives under control. They aim for a simple existence, and are often quite content with very little. Many are early risers, ready to take on the day with enthusiasm. They scurry around, keeping busy and managing their life quietly and expertly. As long as their little world is manageable, Lunar Virgos can be a delight to be around.

Short description:

She has a very good memory. Scientific or medical studies preferred above all others. She is humble and moderate, calm and reserved. Emotional discipline. She is willing to help, devoted and gentle.

Potential issues: servile nature, frequent changes of occupation, quick to become annoyed, upset, worried. She is too shy.


Ascendant is Scorpio
The ascendant is a symbol of how one acts in life. It is the image of the personality as seen by others, and the attitude that one has towards life.
Spoiler for Scorpio Rising:

Scorpio Ascendant people have a lot of presence. There is something about them that tells the world that they are not to be pushed around. Their manner commands respect, and in some cases, fear. Scorpio rising people can be quiet or loud, but they always seem powerful and determined. You either love or hate Scorpio rising people-- they are rarely people who go through life unnoticed. In fact, some of them are confused when faced with the fact that they get such strong reactions from others. They seem to look right through people, seeing through superficiality. This can be quite intimidating to some, and intriguing to others. Scorpio rising people, in their dealings with others, look for answers by reading between the lines. Surface details are discarded when they are getting a feel for people and situations around them.

Scorpio rising people value their privacy so much, it can border on paranoia. They have a strong need to control their environment and are experts at strategy. Rarely people who will blow their chances with impatience, they plan out their moves carefully and deliberately, relying on their awesome ability to feel out others and situations. Scorpio rising natives are drawn to down-to-earth, natural partners. Reliability in their partner is very important. They generally look for complete commitment and have little patience with flighty partners
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The Batlord 11-21-2020 07:25 PM

As a marginal bisexual I move for the Queer Council to shun this tedious bull****.

WWWP 11-21-2020 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2145477)
As a marginal bisexual I move for the Queer Council to shun this tedious bull****.

It's so not tedious, you're just not in deep enough. Want me to do one for you? Or should I pull a tarot card? Come on, Charles, what answers do you seek?

Marie Monday 11-21-2020 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2145477)
As a marginal bisexual I move for the Queer Council to shun this tedious bull****.

The Queer Council denies your request. Great work Steph, thanks so much! I only recognise myself in about half of the descriptions, but I love any excuse to indulge in introspection

WWWP 11-21-2020 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2145485)
The Queer Council denies your request. Great work Steph, thanks so much! I only recognise myself in about half of the descriptions, but I love any excuse to indulge in introspection

What I've come to understand is that if something doesn't resonate with you it can just be tossed aside, that message was for someone else. But your Big Three can be read interchangeably, and if you found one thing more relatable than the others, maybe that's where your focus should be. None of this really matters or means anything independent from you, you decide what to do with it, and you get back whatever you put in. :)

The Batlord 11-21-2020 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2145484)
Or should I pull a tarot card?

Ugh... proceed.

Marie Monday 11-21-2020 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2145491)
What I've come to understand is that if something doesn't resonate with you it can just be tossed aside, that message was for someone else. But your Big Three can be read interchangeably, and if you found one thing more relatable than the others, maybe that's where your focus should be. None of this really matters or means anything independent from you, you decide what to do with it, and you get back whatever you put in. :)

Do you mean that it's basically a tool for introspection/self-discovery? Where does the function of the constellations etc. come in, what is the difference with a randomly generated message?

The Batlord 11-21-2020 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2145500)
Do you mean that it's basically a tool for introspection/self-discovery? Where does the function of the constellations etc. come in, what is the difference with a randomly generated message?

Let the Dawkins guide you.

Marie Monday 11-21-2020 07:50 PM

The what

The Batlord 11-21-2020 07:55 PM

It won't make your life better to know.

Marie Monday 11-21-2020 07:59 PM

You know, that's something I wish people would say more often. I hate it when I get involuntarily stuffed with the kind of knowledge that makes life just a bit less good without any useful purpose

WWWP 11-21-2020 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2145500)
Do you mean that it's basically a tool for introspection/self-discovery? Where does the function of the constellations etc. come in, what is the difference with a randomly generated message?

That's how I view it - there certainly are people that take it very literally. I'm not deep enough in to know about all the ruling houses and planets being in retrograde or whatever the fuck and my only frame for reference when it comes to constellations is greek mythology lol. That's all beyond me, but if you were to see a practicing astrologist (yeah they exist in hoards in the San Francisco Bay, it's a legit career path) they would have a lot to say about your question.

I think the underlying point to be made about whether it's all nonsense is that we are made of stardust and the alignment of the planets do affect the physical world in measurable ways, so why would they not also affect us?

WWWP 11-21-2020 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2145493)
Ugh... proceed.

Do you know your sun sign? If not pls dm me your birthdate and time and location

The Batlord 11-21-2020 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2145515)
I think the underlying point to be made about whether it's all nonsense is that we are made of stardust and the alignment of the planets do affect the physical world in measurable ways, so why would they not also affect us?

I think a more intelligent nonsense point would be that the conditions of our mother's womb affects our development and since seasons change and food scarcity, extreme temperatures, and any number of other variables can affect our pregnant mothers seasonally it's possible that predictions based on those cycles could be somehow valid. This stardust **** is dumb af though.

The Batlord 11-21-2020 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2145518)
Do you know your sun sign? If not pls dm me your birthdate and time and location

Ugh. As in current time or birth time or what?

Marie Monday 11-21-2020 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2145515)
That's how I view it - there certainly are people that take it very literally. I'm not deep enough in to know about all the ruling houses and planets being in retrograde or whatever the fuck and my only frame for reference when it comes to constellations is greek mythology lol. That's all beyond me, but if you were to see a practicing astrologist (yeah they exist in hoards in the San Francisco Bay, it's a legit career path) they would have a lot to say about your question.

I think the underlying point to be made about whether it's all nonsense is that we are made of stardust and the alignment of the planets do affect the physical world in measurable ways, so why would they not also affect us?

Greek mythology is a very worthy frame of reference.
I'm convinced astrology isn't valid from a physical point of view (I mean I don't believe in it) but that doesn't mean it can't be interesting, I'm still curious about the ideas behind it.

Janszoon 11-21-2020 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2145430)
About gender and sexual identity: if I get what WWWP means I think that any categorisation of gender or sexuality is artificial and in the ideal case the trend of exploring those things will lead to just abandoning those categories altogether.

This. I've spent a lot of my life trying to pin down who I am on these continua and at some point in the past few years I've realized that I just am who I am and I'm not interested in trying to categorize it.

goldendoodle 11-21-2020 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2145424)
Omg, so much the bolded, fuck!

I think it's a really good thing to not overanalyze your identity, especially if it's fluid - like maybe who you are changes like the seasons, maybe you're not meant for stasis. That said I know that internally not having that clarity will also drive you mad, particularly because we humans love to categorize things, and see where we fit within those established structures.

I suspect though, that we can't even fathom the intricacies and nuances and endless possibilities of gender identity and sexual orientation because it's never been prioritized as a worthy endeavor, and those that do dig deeper or push the question further are typically ostracized and othered and at best kept on the fringes of society.

Imagine if we valued self discovery as a species as much as we do military prowess, or keeping up with the Jones'. I think that is changing, (god bless gen z ily) albeit slowly, and I'm glad to be a witness. What a damn shame of a setback though, like the Dark Ages of introspection.



Sorry I'm not smoking weed right now and this is what my brain does not on drugs, I could keep going until I've answered all my own questions lmao

Welp Marie basically summed up my thoughts on this, soo-- ASTROLOGY! Yes everyone pls DM WWWP (or me) your birth time, place and location info pls.

Having Leo in TWO of the 'big three' placement sounds interesting. Bat has Leo, gemini (or libra?) and capricorn energy IMO. (If I HAD to guess, I'd say an air moon and earth ascendant) Hrmmmm as for Marie... I would guess that there's a good amount of aquarius, virgo and cancer in her chart (maybe an aquarius ascendant??), but I'm probably wrong! I just say things.

Have you found that certain sun signs seem to flock to you/you can't get rid of them? In the past I was constantly surrounded by geminis. I probably had the least experience with scorpios, but my current bf is a scorpio (and also has Venus in scorpio.)

I wish I knew more about vedic and draconic astrology. They both seem more interesting than western astrology. Not that I necessarily believe in any of it, though I do regularly see things that are far too on-the-nose when skimming through some of the auto-generated long natal chart report interpretations on sites like Cafeastrology. I especially like the borderline-insulting bits they'll throw at you.

adidasss 11-21-2020 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 2145531)
This. I've spent a lot of my life trying to pin down who I am on these continua and at some point in the past few years I've realized that I just am who I am and I'm not interested in trying to categorize it.

You're queer? By that I mean, whatever is not a cis-hetero male?

jwb 11-21-2020 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2145491)
What I've come to understand is that if something doesn't resonate with you it can just be tossed aside, that message was for someone else. But your Big Three can be read interchangeably, and if you found one thing more relatable than the others, maybe that's where your focus should be. None of this really matters or means anything independent from you, you decide what to do with it, and you get back whatever you put in. :)

if something doesn't register you toss it aside and if it does you take it as a sign from the stars? Does that actually sound reasonable to you?

WWWP 11-22-2020 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2145576)
if something doesn't register you toss it aside and if it does you take it as a sign from the stars? Does that actually sound reasonable to you?

I didn't say anything about signs from the stars! You take what is intrinsically meaningful to you in whichever way it may be meaningful and scrap the rest. It's like putting quarters into those $.50 machines -- if you get a sticker you think is rad and makes you inspired in some way, or helps shift your perspective just enough to have a new idea about how to approach a problem, etc. you keep it, if you get a lame ring or something you throw it away, you don't need it and it doesn't serve you. I'm just saying I suspend my disbelief enough to allow for the possibility of there being some cosmic link between the things that exist in the universe.

The Batlord 11-22-2020 03:42 AM

Or it's just a game of Rorschach and pretending you believe in cosmic links is just a way to not feel like a little kid playing make believe.

Marie Monday 11-22-2020 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2145041)

oh also I remembered I'd forgotten to watch this in all the chaos
it's got to be one of the most goofy things I've ever seen :laughing:

The Batlord 11-22-2020 10:07 AM

Batman is life. You are ****.


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