Not everyone is a troll, adi.
Nea's question seems to be honest.
Dwn is not a troll either.
This thread is and will stay moderated and believe me, genuinely homophobic **** will not be tolerated.
Bants and discussions, even kinda dumb ones, will not be interfered with, though.

I really don't see how a question about the allowability to use the F-word in 2018 could possibly be genuine.

And you think that posting what are clearly meant to be offensive gay stereotypes/jokes that contribute nothing to this thread, is not trolling?

Sorry, that seems like poor standards of moderation to me.

If you want to make this place attractive to mature and productive discussion and posters, you need to set your bar higher methinks. :/

I'm afraid we're semi-mature and semi-productive at discussions at best.
If you'd know the members better you'd probably react differently. Probably not.

lol maturity

lol production

Ok, my bad, carry on.

It is a shame that this thread is already just 5 pages of pointless bickering.

And the suggestion that creating a gay thread at a a predominantly straight forum would be equivalent to creating a straight thread at a gay forum is either ignorant or intellectually dishonest.

Am I reading the intentions behind some of the complaints wrong, or are some people here feeling offended that gay people don't want to talk to them or something? The point of a queer thread wouldn't be to exclude straight people, but to bring people who share a minority issue together so they can talk about it.

Yeah, I'm a bit disappointed by Dwn. He's usually better than that. That analogy is intellectually lazy at best.

Almost entirely sure she was being ironic, dudes.

It's hard to tell, since it's exactly the kind of thing some people would say.

It helps that she's probably the least likely person on the forum to saying something like that seriously.

I was trolling Batlord since he is probably the biggest offender of using homophobic slang and decided to be the threads biggest defender.

But to answer your questions:

1) I'm straight but genuinely care about human rights with a focus in the queer community.
2) It would be a place for straight people to discuss what they could do within their own circles that queer people may not be able to participate in. Don't pretend like straight hating doesn't exist in the queer community even if they are fighting for the queer side.

You should try to get to know the new members after a long hiatus, you might comprehend the responses and follow the discussion better. Lots of sarcasm around here and we all know each other's posting style well enough to typically understand the intent of the post.

I'm not one of them. :finger:

Where did anyone post offensive stereotypes? If you're talking about those Hi-NRG songs, than I think you need to learn more about the genre. The scene was pivotal in bringing an acceptance of open and proud homosexuality to the mainstream.

If you're talking about the Hard Gay gif, than do you have a problem with a sexually aggressive person decked out in leather? 'Cause there are legit plenty of people like that, and belittling them is kinda bigoted. Rob Halford is disappointed in you, man.

Complaints? :laughing:

Maybe some LGBT members just find it funny that someone felt the need to make a "queer corner", when we've had no trouble with just discussing LGBT rights issues in the news thread, sexual experiences in the sex thread, etc. Maybe I was just explaining why I didn't feel the need to post in here in the future, but then changed my mind 'cause, eh, what the hell, why not?

Allright, allright I'm sorry.

Here's something I've been thinking about lately if you guys want to discuss it:

How much does someone's sexual orientation affect their personality? Like, if you suddenly realized that you want to start experimenting, or deep down you want to switch genders, and so on, how much do you think it would change the core of your person?

Afaik, it's never been scientifically proven that straight or LGBT people have higher or lower levels of average intellect, or are more prone to criminal behavior, or anything like that. And just because you'd rather have sex with one gender over another doesn't mean that you fulfill the image of what the world has accepted as an average LGBT person (the sassy gay fashionista, the butch lesbian, etc.). It's fine if you are, but obviously the archetypes don't perfectly apply to everyone.

LGBT people are as intellectually varied as straight people, and all have varying lifestyles. But I've met some LGBT people who kinda looked down on straight people, and certainly vice versa, and I've never understood that mentality. Like, they would have thought the person they're trashing talking was an awesome person if they didn't know their orientation, so why should it matter to them at all?

Anti-LGBT peeps almost always use the same "argument" to justify their bull****: "It's not natural!"

And I'm like, bitch, humans are animals, literally everything we do is part of our "natural" behavior.

Why do people give so much of a **** about what kind of person other people like to have sex with? As long as it's between consenting adults, why should it matter?

But here's my real question that I've been leading up to:

Was the movie Chasing Amy an awful and bigoted piece of trash, or was it actually a pretty smart look at problems that we all have to this day? People always **** on it because the girl (who identifies as a lesbian) ends up falling in love with a guy. They see it as some sort of commentary that all lesbians are just pretending, or something like that.

But I think the point was that sexual orientation isn't always clear cut. People always say "Being gay isn't a choice", and that's certainly true for some people, but for others, it takes a lot of experimentation before they really figure out who/what they want from life. And yet so many people, both LGBT and straight, look down on people who are unsure, especially when they say they're one orientation but then change their mind. They look at them like they're a traitor, or a faker, or something, when they're just trying to figure out what's what.

So, like, is the movie actually kinda insightful in that way? Did people misunderstand it?

That argument is so dumb it always cracks me up. "Not natural". So what? Is driving a car natural? We're human beings. We bend the world to our will.

Exactly.

And, like, even if some deity came down from the heavens and said "Okay guys, here's my new and improved list of what is/isn't natural", I still wouldn't care, because "natural" is not synonymous with "better". Poison hemlock is "natural", but I'd much rather eat vat grown beef.

And again, technically everything we do/are is "natural". It's all just shades of human behavior.

Ehh.. technically not. What's natural isn't determined by any human behavior. I think you're crossing the two common usages of the word.

I can understand your usage and agree with the way you use it for discussions sake, but that's not how the word is commonly understood or used.

I was adressing both usages, and how no matter which usage people try to argue with, their arguments are still flawed.

In terms of "natural" being a following of naturally occuring behavior, everything humans do is part of that behavior. The towers we build, cars we drive, sex we crave, are all as natural as ants building hills.

And in terms of "natural" being what people should do, an arbitrary state of selective simplicity/innocence, it's incredibly hypocritical for people reaping the benefits of modern science and technology to draw moral lines in the sand against nonviolent things that are as fundamentally valid as other consensual lifestyle choices. Religious extremism has harmed far more people than homosexuality ever will, yet fundamentalists never seem to think of violent zealotry as "unnatural".

And not just in humanity. Homosexual behavior occurs in a staggering number of other animals as well.

pfffft

Not what people "should" do, more the generalized commonality among a species. Eating paint chips is not natural human behavior just because some human decides to do it, even with this technicality argument youre trying to use. Do you plan to argue that a lion and an antelope raised in captivity who form a non-predator/prey relationship is natural?

Homosexuality is natural. People who use it in the way your describing are being dishonest.

You're confusing common with natural.

Why are we discussing whether it's natural and why does it matter?

No i'm not. Ori is misusing the common usage of the word. I already conceited for discussion sake I understand his points, but that's not how natural is used colloquially or scientifically.

Not the best way to contradict someone who's saying that the word natural is commonly used incorrectly, is it?

Yeah, anthropology totally ignores those things. What was I thinking?

I figured she was joking as well. Though I'm still pretty confused as to why people have to debate whether or not this thread has to exist. Who cares? Adidasss wanted a queer corner thread, let him have it. We usually never have problems with people creating their own personal threads, but it being about homosexuality seems to have people's panties in a twist.

Cool than make an argument against the question I posed in my edit:

Do you plan to argue that a lion and an antelope raised in captivity who form a non-predator/prey relationship is natural?

So does anyone else think that Taylor Swift is secretly a lesbian/professional beard? I get major gay vibes from her, in part due to her whole PR narrative (especially when comparing her to Chely Wright, the previously closeted country singer)

I know that a lot of bisexual women (for instance) -- at least the younger ones-- will temporarily feel the need to change their appearance (I know you said personality, but I figure it's worth mentioning) so that other bisexual/gay women don't assume they're straight. "Bi invisibility," they call it. So they'll get a bad asymmetrical haircut and start wearing more plaid and have a Tegan & Sara phase or whatever. I can only speak for other women, but I know that realizing you're gay or bi can also cause you to reexamine and change your behavior to a degree-- I wouldn't say one's core personality changes but it can definitely change your behavior and make you suddenly hyper-aware of things like performative femininity and greatly reduce your willingness to participate in such things. I feel like things can get especially muddled and confusing for bisexuals, since we get demonized a lot and accused of merely experimenting before ultimately settling down with a man. But butch lesbians (for instance) definitely have it worse in terms of public misconceptions and such, even within the lgbt community.

And then there's the asexuals who still desire romantic relationships with those of the same sex; many lgbt people believe that if you do not actually have sex with those of the same sex, you can't call yourself gay/lesbian. I've always wondered how one should identify if, say, you're basically asexual, in part due to past sexual trauma, but can experience romantic love for the same sex, but do not wish to have sex (for whatever reason if not simple sex aversion/disinterest) despite wanting to be physically close/intimate with them in other romantic but non-sexual ways. Seems to be a lot of disagreement around the issue within the online communities I've lurked in.

But anyway, I think it partly depends on the level of aggressive social conditioning/repression that one experiences growing up; if one doesn't fully/consciously realize they're gay or bi till they're in their 20s or older then yes, I think that could very well change a core part of their personality upon accepting it-- or rather, a false part of our persona dies, one that was created in order to survive peacefully in bigoted small towns/closed-minded or abusive families or what-have-you.

I very much agree with the bolded part.

I don't actually remember much of the movie at all, but I recall not being too fond of it since I for one am tired of lesbians being written as confused bisexuals. I mean, it's just a movie-- I think the storyline is a bit dumb but I wouldn't say it's a ~commentary really. Lesbians ultimately realizing they're bisexual and vice versa-- it does happen, just not usually in the way it's depicted in tv and movies. A much more common story in real life is a gay person being strung along by their straight-but-bi-curious friend and getting hurt.

And then in other movies (including those written by women) you've got the Doomed Lesbians trope where one either dies or suffers horribly at the end and the other starts dating a man or whatever. The LGBT movies on netflix are a trainwreck for the most part. (I really wanted to like Blue Is the Warmest Color, but in the end it was just your average indie mumblecore type film but with lesbian sex thrown in. I mean, I liked it, but it wasn't amazing)

Anyway, I sure hope this thread doesn't get bogged down by tedious Discourse™ about nothing.

Naturally.

I was hoping the OP would actually create some sort of discussion, but I don't see that happening so the children are now playing in the thread.

I assumed the title of the thread was evident enough as to what the OP wanted to talk about. I took that it meant: "anyone who wants to discuss LGBT issues or topics can post in here". At least that's what I pulled from it. Seems pretty self explanatory.

I'm just gonna role with the discussion Ori has started. Thanks Kiiii, you're wonderful :D

This thread is classic MB.

If new posters want to see what this forum is about, just link them to this thread.

I'm just helping clarify since you seem confused.

Great points. It does make sense that people alter their appearance/mannerisms to correspond to their orientation, i.e. doing things that they think the people they're attracted to will like. Plenty of people from all kinds of backgrounds eventually find a culture or subculture that they associate with, and try (even if only in small ways) to fit into.

I guess what I'm really curious about is how much pressure people, both straight and LGBT, feel in terms of fulfilling certain roles that the community expects, and how those expectations compare/clash. I.e., like how straight men are often chastised for being "too feminine", or straight women for being "too masculine." I wouldn't exactly call myself 100% straight, but I've also only met a very small number of LGBT people, so I'm just really curious about the wider community.

Also, I've never met someone who identified as asexual, so I can't really comment, but I will say that there are all kinds of people with all kinds of needs and desires, so I personally wouldn't find it all that strange if someone wanted an intimate relationship with someone without sex being part of that relationship.


I mean, yeah, it isn't exactly the best movie ever, it's definitely flawed. I just thought it was a bit interesting, and that maybe people were kinda looking at it from the wrong angle.

Btw, Xena and Gabrielle are lowkey the greatest lesbian couple in movies/TV.

Now you got me wondering if this ever happened... I miss those old fantasy shows.

http://www.afterellen.com/entertainm...rincess-reboot
http://cdn3-www.afterellen.com/asset...6/08/xena3.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8f/4c/9a/8...-reference.jpg

:( Callisto feels left out.

Top ten gay pride track:



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