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The Batlord 08-07-2018 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1984854)
You can't tell me you gents aren't having fun.

We were talking about the X-Men. Please stay on topic.

edit: for the next little while I'm gonna see just how many threads I can steer towards X-Men discussion.

Zhanteimi 08-07-2018 09:37 PM



Died of AIDS. Gayness confirmed.

Oriphiel 08-07-2018 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1984856)
We were talking about the X-Men. Please stay on topic.

edit: for the next little while I'm gonna see just how many threads I can steer towards X-Men discussion.

Are there any LGBT X-Men? I can't remember.

The Batlord 08-07-2018 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1984862)
Are there any LGBT X-Men? I can't remember.

Northstar. And Mystique has been in the X-Men for some reason that I'm sure everyone regretted.

Neapolitan 08-07-2018 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 1984204)
Interesting, more trolls.
I don't find this particularly surprising, since it's the internet, what I find a little disconcerting is the apparent lack of moderation here, if I may be a little critical with the current version of musicbanter.

It would be perfect if you could moderate your own threads at least but not likely I guess.

To answer your "serious" query, try replacing the F-word with the N-word, see how many laughs you get. :/

Trolls? I was trying to be mature and offer different opinions. I was also trying to be mature by hoping this forum would grow up a little and stop using the F-word but if my attempt to raise the maturity level of this forum one millionth of degree is met with accusations of trolls than I give up. I don't care, or maybe I should say I stopped caring. I thought I did care once but I guess it was beaten out of me not to care anymore. I guess I have to face the facts Music Banter will certainly never become Maturation Banter.

I am totally lost with that analogy cause those words are so ubiquitous. This year I was called both the F-word and the N-word, so it's not like people stopped using those words in 2018. Sorry I brought it up, but I thought it was a relevant topic, but perhaps not relevant to this thread.

Final thought: I understand you frustrations, many of my threads get ransacked, spammed, and/or trolled. One thing I know for sure is that you'll never have to worry about is this place growing up.

Key 08-07-2018 09:55 PM

I like that this place isn't grown up. It's a way to get away from everything else. Some funny **** is said on a daily basis and its because we're all just super immature.

The Batlord 08-08-2018 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1984135)
Eh, it's not really all that controversial. You do you, man. But this a forum, and we're here for the bants. I call silly stuff out when I see it, doesn't mean that I'm deeply offended or want the thread to be deleted or anything.

Btw, I thought about it at work, and realized that I actually love this thread, and am going to bump it into perpetuity with super gay Hi-NRG songs.


How did I not know of such ludicrous fun music?

Zhanteimi 08-08-2018 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1984862)
Are there any LGBT X-Men? I can't remember.

In the comic book reboot back in 2000, Colossus putts from the rough.

The Batlord 08-08-2018 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Zhanteimi (Post 1984921)
In the comic book reboot back in 2000, Colossus putts from the rough.

Hence SpiderCat.

adidasss 08-09-2018 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1984839)
You mean like how I wrote that big ass on-topic query that only Chiomara addressed? I'm actually kinda disappointed that adidass didn't respond at all. Really wanted to get his opinion.

You kind of put down a lot of thoughts that required some elaborate responses that I didn't really have time to get into and Chiomara addressed a lot of them but because you asked nicely here's at least a bit of a response...:D

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1984245)
Here's something I've been thinking about lately if you guys want to discuss it:

How much does someone's sexual orientation affect their personality? Like, if you suddenly realized that you want to start experimenting, or deep down you want to switch genders, and so on, how much do you think it would change the core of your person?

This is really complicated, I don't have a lot of experience on this topic since I simply went through a "everyone expects me to be straight so I guess I am and I don't even know what gay is" phase to suddenly becoming aware that I'm attracted to men. I've never looked back since, once I had the eureka moment I really had no doubts or second guesses.

Obviously I think I am a very different person being gay than I would have been straight, there are loads of specific sub-culture elements and particularities to the gay experience that have influenced also on how I react to the world in general (like for example, I think gay people are normally a bit more resilient than the rest of the population, since being hated on by the majority of the planet kind of makes you either become extra strong and sure of yourself or you end up suicidal unfortunately, we are probably more open to different people and ideas, less prone to be conservative etc).

But did I suddenly start being a different person since I've self-actualized (is that the right word?) as a gay person, I don't think so. Sexual orientation doesn't have much to do with empathy, I think you're either born with it or not.
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But here's my real question that I've been leading up to:

Was the movie Chasing Amy an awful and bigoted piece of trash, or was it actually a pretty smart look at problems that we all have to this day? People always **** on it because the girl (who identifies as a lesbian) ends up falling in love with a guy. They see it as some sort of commentary that all lesbians are just pretending, or something like that.

But I think the point was that sexual orientation isn't always clear cut. People always say "Being gay isn't a choice", and that's certainly true for some people, but for others, it takes a lot of experimentation before they really figure out who/what they want from life. And yet so many people, both LGBT and straight, look down on people who are unsure, especially when they say they're one orientation but then change their mind. They look at them like they're a traitor, or a faker, or something, when they're just trying to figure out what's what.

So, like, is the movie actually kinda insightful in that way? Did people misunderstand it?
I really don't remember that movie at all, but I can tell you that once some years ago a friend of a friend made a comment to me that she could turn me straight (or she would try or something like that), that I felt was totally disrespectful and just plumb stupid. In a country as homophobic as Croatia, you can be quite sure that if a man comes out as gay, there is really no doubt left in his mind. To imply someone could try to change that means that you don't really understand how sexuality normally works.

Again, I don't know what happened in the movie, and you makes some good points about people experimenting and finding themselves, some even argue that sexuality can be fluid. But I think these things are very rare. Normally people are quite sure about their sexual preferences, and I guess I understand the criticism, especially because the character was a woman, identifying as a lesbian, ending up being interested in a man. If I was a lesbian, probably I would be a little upset by this idea. It's curious but,.as far as I know, there has never been a movie where a gay guy is being wooed by a straight woman that ends up falling for her. For some reason, the assumption is that gay men are quite sure, but gay women could be swayed (by some choice dick I guess), which is sexist, and movie depictions of this kind of trope really don't help. So...:/
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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1984676)
In my lifetime, I've had short relationships with men. Nothing too serious or anything. It was during a time of my life when I was still figuring **** out. I don't necessarily identify with a specific sexuality since I don't really know how to phrase that I find anyone attractive. But I'm rarely even sexually attracted to someone.

Maybe pansexual or asexual? They have a name for everything basically but not identifying with something is ok too...as long as you go for whatever you want (or don't want)...:)

Key 08-09-2018 10:36 AM

Probably more along the lines of a sexual tbh if I were to put a name to it.

Oriphiel 08-09-2018 10:46 AM

@Adidasss Thanks for the response. :beer:

Might just be anecdotal, but I agree on LGBT people generally developing resilience. Growing up as a guy in the south (esp. an area full of military families) with even a hint of femininity, or even just hair longer than a buzzcut, you have to learn to defend yourself pretty quickly.

Gender fluidity is an interesting topic. I think I remember reading a few studies awhile back that concluded that very few people are truly always 100% "straight" or "gay". And of course, there was that study that blew up everywhere that said that the majority of women are actually bisexual (can't remember if it was worldwide or just in the U.S.). But it's a complex topic with a vast amount of biological and sociological factors. Some people are pretty much born with their orientation, others find it later on in life. In the end, I guess all you can really do is let people figure everything out in their own way, without pressuring them or making assumptions (i.e., saying stuff like "I can make them straight", or "they're just faking").

Oriphiel 08-09-2018 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1984917)
How did I not know of such ludicrous fun music?

Hi-NRG is >

Btw, the singer in that track, Sylvester, has a song in the first episode of Glow, when they're doing aerobics. As soon as I heard it start to play I was like "OH SHIIIIIIIIIT" :pimp:


Cuthbert 08-09-2018 07:45 PM

I associate Hi-NRG with scousers. Not sure why.

Oriphiel 08-09-2018 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluff (Post 1985405)
I associate Hi-NRG with scousers. Not sure why.

'Cause Liverpool is all about dem big riddims. Wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot of Hi-NRG, Freestyle, and House there in the '80s/'90s.

Cuthbert 08-09-2018 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1985408)
'Cause Liverpool is all about dem big riddims. Wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot of Hi-NRG, Freestyle, and House there in the '80s/'90s.

Went on Hi-NRG wiki page and Dead or Alive and FGTH were on there so that's probably why.

They've made some big riddims indeed.

BassoonPlatoon 08-10-2018 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1985245)
@Adidasss Thanks for the response. :beer:

Might just be anecdotal, but I agree on LGBT people generally developing resilience.

I would not even quantify this. I think everyone develops a resilience. Sex is such a large part of social life that it has basically come to dominate most real world interaction. It is probably even worse for "straight people" because any time they do anything with a member of the opposite sex it is assumed that they are dating or wanting to date. The pressure socially to reproduce or mate is astoundingly mystifying.

adidasss 08-10-2018 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BassoonPlatoon (Post 1985441)
I would not even quantify this. I think everyone develops a resilience. Sex is such a large part of social life that it has basically come to dominate most real world interaction. It is probably even worse for "straight people" because any time they do anything with a member of the opposite sex it is assumed that they are dating or wanting to date. The pressure socially to reproduce or mate is astoundingly mystifying.

Social pressure to conform to societal expectations of relationships/family is definitely NOT comparable to the real threats of or actual violence and quotidian expressions of hate that the LGBT community has to face in most of the world. Two VERY different issues, with very different impact on the respective people. :/

The Batlord 08-10-2018 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1984862)
Are there any LGBT X-Men? I can't remember.

Oh **** I forgot, Iceman's gay now.

grindy 08-10-2018 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BassoonPlatoon (Post 1985441)
I would not even quantify this. I think everyone develops a resilience. Sex is such a large part of social life that it has basically come to dominate most real world interaction. It is probably even worse for "straight people" because any time they do anything with a member of the opposite sex it is assumed that they are dating or wanting to date. The pressure socially to reproduce or mate is astoundingly mystifying.

I assume you're in your early teens and during that time those things are definitely being blown out of proportion. But it gets better and more chill later on.

Oriphiel 08-10-2018 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BassoonPlatoon (Post 1985441)
I would not even quantify this. I think everyone develops a resilience.

It's pretty clear that adidass and I were talking about more resilience than average, not that LGBT are the only people with resilience at all. No offense, but I honestly didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to interpret it that way.

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Originally Posted by BassoonPlatoon (Post 1985441)
Sex is such a large part of social life that it has basically come to dominate most real world interaction. It is probably even worse for "straight people" because any time they do anything with a member of the opposite sex it is assumed that they are dating or wanting to date. The pressure socially to reproduce or mate is astoundingly mystifying.

Yeah, 'cause LGBT people are never pressured by people into following those norms and gender roles. And then **** on mercilessly when they refuse to.

But here's a question: How often do straight people face violence due to their orientation, or these cultural pressures? And I'm not talking about the occasional fist fight over a girl/guy that you like. I'm talking serious and constant hostility with intent to maim both physically and psychologically.

Have you ever been called a *** by your dad? Had **** thrown at you as you try to walk/bike anywhere? Get jumped so often that you have to learn how to kick ass just to not get curb stumped by homophobes?

For ****s sake, it's still legal for the parents of LGBT teenagers to send them to "scared straight" camps, where they're starved and basically tortured until they recant. Look it up, that ****'s terrifying.

Btw, unless you're still in high school, pretty much nobody gives a **** if you have female friends, and whether or not you're having sex with them. Once you become an adult, you pretty much just have to deal with the terrible pressure of the occasional phone call from your grandparents when they ask when they will finally get grandchildren to dote over. However, being LGBT makes you a target for life. I could post news stories about LGBT clubs being barred and set on fire, or LGBT people being forced into concentration camps in Nazi Germany, or a whole bunch of stories just this past month about people being targeted for their orientation, but tbh, you can do your own research. That is, if you actually care about the issue.

elphenor 08-10-2018 06:52 AM

This thread is like hella Straight Splaining

Oriphiel 08-10-2018 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Fluff (Post 1985413)
Went on Hi-NRG wiki page and Dead or Alive and FGTH were on there so that's probably why.

They've made some big riddims indeed.

Damn, never knew Dead or Alive were scousers. My affinity level for Liverpool just got a +10.

Still a top track:



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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1985444)
Oh **** I forgot, Iceman's gay now.

If he didn't end up with the human torch, there is no poetic justice in the world.

Oriphiel 08-10-2018 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1985453)
This thread is like hella Straight Splaining

You love it.

The Batlord 08-10-2018 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1985454)
If he didn't end up with the human torch, there is no poetic justice in the world.

He was dating Kitty Pryde right before he came out so I like to think she's now neurotic about turning men gay like a good Jewish girl who can't keep down a man. If Colossus comes out of the closet next I'll lose my ****.

Oriphiel 08-10-2018 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1985462)
He was dating Kitty Pryde right before he came out so I like to think she's now neurotic about turning men gay like a good Jewish girl who can't keep down a man. If Colossus comes out of the closet next I'll lose my ****.

Probably not canon, but...

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Originally Posted by Zhanteimi (Post 1984921)
In the comic book reboot back in 2000, Colossus putts from the rough.


The Batlord 08-10-2018 09:38 AM

Kitty and Colossus' cluster**** relationship gets a cameo in X-Men Red that seems to imply that it's about to be on again so I imagine his gayness is not yet confirmed.

Oriphiel 08-10-2018 09:56 AM

So, whatever happened to that weird purple Spyro the Dragon thing that used to follow Kitty around?

The Batlord 08-10-2018 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1985473)
So, whatever happened to that weird purple Spyro the Dragon thing that used to follow Kitty around?

Lockheed? Don't know. Last I saw him was Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men but I haven't read much with Kitty in it in awhile and it hasn't been in what little I've read as far as I remember.

Oriphiel 08-10-2018 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1985474)
Lockheed? Don't know. Last I saw him was Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men but I haven't read much with Kitty in it in awhile and it hasn't been in what little I've read as far as I remember.

I bet Whedon started really liking him, and so naturally had to kill him off.

The Batlord 08-10-2018 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1985478)
I bet Whedon started really liking him, and so naturally had to kill him off.

Colossus was already dead though so it's almost like he had an uncontrollable compulsion to do the opposite.

Oriphiel 08-10-2018 03:12 PM

So, what're the odds that the next X-Men movie won't be ****?

The Batlord 08-10-2018 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1985548)
So, what're the odds that the next X-Men movie won't be ****?

Probably zero. It's probably gonna be about young Jean going Phoenix right? Even though nobody gives a **** about the younger mutants from the last movie and it didn't build any reason to give a **** about them? That whole series really just needs a hard reboot and a complete "**** off" to the Brian Singer era. The end of Days of Future Past when it looked like the series had rebooted and was going to be about the original cast again was promising but nothing came of it.

Oriphiel 08-10-2018 03:25 PM

Marvel needs to get that **** back. Or at least work something out like they did with Sony/Spiderman.

I've heard that a Fantastic Four reboot comic series is coming. Probably gonna inspire Fox to cash in with another ****show.

The Batlord 08-10-2018 03:35 PM

Bruh. It's happening. But even harder than anyone even expected. Disney bought Fox. I wouldn't even be surprised if they bought it just to get the X-Men back. Disney is the great Satan but I can't pretend that I'm not pooping myself.

What does the Disney/Fox merger mean for the Fox Marvel universe?

Oriphiel 08-10-2018 03:39 PM

*crosses fingers, toes, eyes, and balls*

The Batlord 08-10-2018 03:44 PM

I don't even care how much of Dark Phoenix is done. Kill it. Burn the negatives. Let it never see the light of day. No one will care. It's not like Marvel will be worrying about what to do with Patrick Stewart or Hugh Jackman and how their previous movies will lineup with the new MCU X-Men movies cause the actors were already done with the series. There's absolutely nothing that any fan will care about losing if Marvel simply pretends that every single aspect of the Singer era never happened. Just dump it all and start from square one.

Cuthbert 08-10-2018 04:11 PM

Top two posters on this thread are non LGBTs.

Just an observation.

The Batlord 08-10-2018 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluff (Post 1985593)
Top two posters on this thread are non LGBTs.

Just an observation.

I'll support any Nazis.

Key 08-10-2018 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluff (Post 1985593)
Top two posters on this thread are non LGBTs.

Just an observation.

The thread has turn into spam thread 2.0.


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