In the comic book reboot back in 2000, Colossus putts from the rough.

Hence SpiderCat.

You kind of put down a lot of thoughts that required some elaborate responses that I didn't really have time to get into and Chiomara addressed a lot of them but because you asked nicely here's at least a bit of a response...:D

This is really complicated, I don't have a lot of experience on this topic since I simply went through a "everyone expects me to be straight so I guess I am and I don't even know what gay is" phase to suddenly becoming aware that I'm attracted to men. I've never looked back since, once I had the eureka moment I really had no doubts or second guesses.

Obviously I think I am a very different person being gay than I would have been straight, there are loads of specific sub-culture elements and particularities to the gay experience that have influenced also on how I react to the world in general (like for example, I think gay people are normally a bit more resilient than the rest of the population, since being hated on by the majority of the planet kind of makes you either become extra strong and sure of yourself or you end up suicidal unfortunately, we are probably more open to different people and ideas, less prone to be conservative etc).

But did I suddenly start being a different person since I've self-actualized (is that the right word?) as a gay person, I don't think so. Sexual orientation doesn't have much to do with empathy, I think you're either born with it or not.
I really don't remember that movie at all, but I can tell you that once some years ago a friend of a friend made a comment to me that she could turn me straight (or she would try or something like that), that I felt was totally disrespectful and just plumb stupid. In a country as homophobic as Croatia, you can be quite sure that if a man comes out as gay, there is really no doubt left in his mind. To imply someone could try to change that means that you don't really understand how sexuality normally works.

Again, I don't know what happened in the movie, and you makes some good points about people experimenting and finding themselves, some even argue that sexuality can be fluid. But I think these things are very rare. Normally people are quite sure about their sexual preferences, and I guess I understand the criticism, especially because the character was a woman, identifying as a lesbian, ending up being interested in a man. If I was a lesbian, probably I would be a little upset by this idea. It's curious but,.as far as I know, there has never been a movie where a gay guy is being wooed by a straight woman that ends up falling for her. For some reason, the assumption is that gay men are quite sure, but gay women could be swayed (by some choice dick I guess), which is sexist, and movie depictions of this kind of trope really don't help. So...:/
Maybe pansexual or asexual? They have a name for everything basically but not identifying with something is ok too...as long as you go for whatever you want (or don't want)...:)

Probably more along the lines of a sexual tbh if I were to put a name to it.

@Adidasss Thanks for the response. :beer:

Might just be anecdotal, but I agree on LGBT people generally developing resilience. Growing up as a guy in the south (esp. an area full of military families) with even a hint of femininity, or even just hair longer than a buzzcut, you have to learn to defend yourself pretty quickly.

Gender fluidity is an interesting topic. I think I remember reading a few studies awhile back that concluded that very few people are truly always 100% "straight" or "gay". And of course, there was that study that blew up everywhere that said that the majority of women are actually bisexual (can't remember if it was worldwide or just in the U.S.). But it's a complex topic with a vast amount of biological and sociological factors. Some people are pretty much born with their orientation, others find it later on in life. In the end, I guess all you can really do is let people figure everything out in their own way, without pressuring them or making assumptions (i.e., saying stuff like "I can make them straight", or "they're just faking").

Hi-NRG is >

Btw, the singer in that track, Sylvester, has a song in the first episode of Glow, when they're doing aerobics. As soon as I heard it start to play I was like "OH SHIIIIIIIIIT" :pimp:

I associate Hi-NRG with scousers. Not sure why.

'Cause Liverpool is all about dem big riddims. Wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot of Hi-NRG, Freestyle, and House there in the '80s/'90s.

Went on Hi-NRG wiki page and Dead or Alive and FGTH were on there so that's probably why.

They've made some big riddims indeed.

I would not even quantify this. I think everyone develops a resilience. Sex is such a large part of social life that it has basically come to dominate most real world interaction. It is probably even worse for "straight people" because any time they do anything with a member of the opposite sex it is assumed that they are dating or wanting to date. The pressure socially to reproduce or mate is astoundingly mystifying.

Social pressure to conform to societal expectations of relationships/family is definitely NOT comparable to the real threats of or actual violence and quotidian expressions of hate that the LGBT community has to face in most of the world. Two VERY different issues, with very different impact on the respective people. :/

Oh **** I forgot, Iceman's gay now.

I assume you're in your early teens and during that time those things are definitely being blown out of proportion. But it gets better and more chill later on.

It's pretty clear that adidass and I were talking about more resilience than average, not that LGBT are the only people with resilience at all. No offense, but I honestly didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to interpret it that way.

Yeah, 'cause LGBT people are never pressured by people into following those norms and gender roles. And then **** on mercilessly when they refuse to.

But here's a question: How often do straight people face violence due to their orientation, or these cultural pressures? And I'm not talking about the occasional fist fight over a girl/guy that you like. I'm talking serious and constant hostility with intent to maim both physically and psychologically.

Have you ever been called a *** by your dad? Had **** thrown at you as you try to walk/bike anywhere? Get jumped so often that you have to learn how to kick ass just to not get curb stumped by homophobes?

For ****s sake, it's still legal for the parents of LGBT teenagers to send them to "scared straight" camps, where they're starved and basically tortured until they recant. Look it up, that ****'s terrifying.

Btw, unless you're still in high school, pretty much nobody gives a **** if you have female friends, and whether or not you're having sex with them. Once you become an adult, you pretty much just have to deal with the terrible pressure of the occasional phone call from your grandparents when they ask when they will finally get grandchildren to dote over. However, being LGBT makes you a target for life. I could post news stories about LGBT clubs being barred and set on fire, or LGBT people being forced into concentration camps in Nazi Germany, or a whole bunch of stories just this past month about people being targeted for their orientation, but tbh, you can do your own research. That is, if you actually care about the issue.

Damn, never knew Dead or Alive were scousers. My affinity level for Liverpool just got a +10.

Still a top track:



If he didn't end up with the human torch, there is no poetic justice in the world.

You love it.

He was dating Kitty Pryde right before he came out so I like to think she's now neurotic about turning men gay like a good Jewish girl who can't keep down a man. If Colossus comes out of the closet next I'll lose my ****.

Probably not canon, but...

Kitty and Colossus' cluster**** relationship gets a cameo in X-Men Red that seems to imply that it's about to be on again so I imagine his gayness is not yet confirmed.

So, whatever happened to that weird purple Spyro the Dragon thing that used to follow Kitty around?

Lockheed? Don't know. Last I saw him was Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men but I haven't read much with Kitty in it in awhile and it hasn't been in what little I've read as far as I remember.

I bet Whedon started really liking him, and so naturally had to kill him off.

Colossus was already dead though so it's almost like he had an uncontrollable compulsion to do the opposite.

So, what're the odds that the next X-Men movie won't be ****?

Probably zero. It's probably gonna be about young Jean going Phoenix right? Even though nobody gives a **** about the younger mutants from the last movie and it didn't build any reason to give a **** about them? That whole series really just needs a hard reboot and a complete "**** off" to the Brian Singer era. The end of Days of Future Past when it looked like the series had rebooted and was going to be about the original cast again was promising but nothing came of it.

Marvel needs to get that **** back. Or at least work something out like they did with Sony/Spiderman.

I've heard that a Fantastic Four reboot comic series is coming. Probably gonna inspire Fox to cash in with another ****show.

Bruh. It's happening. But even harder than anyone even expected. Disney bought Fox. I wouldn't even be surprised if they bought it just to get the X-Men back. Disney is the great Satan but I can't pretend that I'm not pooping myself.

What does the Disney/Fox merger mean for the Fox Marvel universe?

*crosses fingers, toes, eyes, and balls*

I don't even care how much of Dark Phoenix is done. Kill it. Burn the negatives. Let it never see the light of day. No one will care. It's not like Marvel will be worrying about what to do with Patrick Stewart or Hugh Jackman and how their previous movies will lineup with the new MCU X-Men movies cause the actors were already done with the series. There's absolutely nothing that any fan will care about losing if Marvel simply pretends that every single aspect of the Singer era never happened. Just dump it all and start from square one.

Top two posters on this thread are non LGBTs.

Just an observation.

I'll support any Nazis.

The thread has turn into spam thread 2.0.

Comics are gay though.

Yeah, I'm mostly straight. But hilariously enough, some of those examples of LGBT people being treated like **** (pushed around, yelled at by drivers, called a *** by one of their parents) were actually from personal experience.

Even if you're just kinda curious, or even completely straight but happen to have a look that people read as "gay", you get **** on. People see an effeminate guy and suddenly feel compelled to **** with them.

Btw, pretty sure Batlord is LGBT, considering he's mentioned having sex with a guy before.

That's true but Charles is straight, pretty sure he will confirm this.

Anyway just an observation.

Yeah I'm basically straight, but I'll differentiate that from 100% straight. I've had sexual relations with a guy and I enjoyed it more or less cause it was kind of fun. You don't have to be gay or even bi to enjoy aspects of homosexual sex, you just have to be open minded I guess and have something to you that allows you to enjoy it. I'm not attracted to men at all for the most part, and even when I'll say I am I'm still mostly having fun with the idea. I'm just not loyal to my "team".

I joke around about how I'd go gay for Chris Evans, and that's true, not true, kinda true, whatever true, I don't even know. But I'd still give it a shot and probably still consider myself straight, or maybe I'd turn my whole idea of my sexuality in a blender. I don't know. I probably still wouldn't have much desire to have sex with the vast majority of men. Chris Evans is simply a treasure for the bicurious.

But the point is for me that gay, straight, LGBT, whatever the **** doesn't have to be a specific spot you have to stand on. It's not even a spectrum to me. It's just whatever the hell it means to me. To some people it means something concrete, to some people it doesn't, and to some people it might even mean nothing.

But no matter what it means it's an insult to my sexuality that I should be expected to put a label on it for any of your benefit.

Cheers.

****, Batlord and I are pretty much the same person. Minus a couple hundred pounds, anyway.

Shine on, you crazy guymond.

You must be huge mate.