We’re evolved to see a lack of free will as counterintuitive so it’s an existential dead end to live as if there’s no free will even though there isn’t. We must ignore the truth and live as if we have free will. And that means holding people accountable for their behavior. We’re a long way off from transitioning into how to deal with matters such as accountability.

Church. Brains run on math the same as everything else in the universe, and math isn't multiple choice (shut up). To hold a series of algorithms responsible for anything is nonsense but there's no current alternative.

What? Morality isn't worth discussing until it's illegal?

To simplify the conversation and to avoid having to go into every useless caveat I'll just say no.

Since we have no control over even the tiniest of our actions we are obviously bound to a predetermined fate. It was settled and soon as the Big Bang started the universe expanding. Obviously. Unless you think we are of some supernatural property from outside the universe.

Yeah. I think I remember you understood this when we discussed it before iirc

That’s pleasing to me because it’s so in your face obvious but still so few people seem to get it.

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You forgot:

Brains >>>

What would you do if your computer caught on fire?

If "we" are our brains, then "we" are the ones controlling our actions. Also, predetermined is not synonymous with predictable.

If a computer is on fire you put it out and then either fix it or discard it. But you don't claim that the computer was morally wrong.

For me to call it freewill you'd have to be able to rewind from a cause and effect to before the cause and find just one instance where the event happened differently. Let's take you walking down the street and you stub your toe, shout "****!", and hop up and down on the other foot three times. Now we replay the incident one billion times to see if you shout "****!" or hop up and down four times or step differently so that you don't stub your toe at all. If that never happens and you do the same exact thing over and over and over then does it make sense to say that you have freewill?

Even a dice roll is predetermined based on how it's thrown, the weight of the dice, what they're landing on, etc.