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Key 08-28-2018 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1991493)
Well we've already put in our .02 on this, I think there are varying levels of sexual misconduct and what he did comes across as someone with some issues and he probably did not realize that what he was doing was very wrong. Compare that to someone like Weinstein who absolutely knew what he was doing was horrible. People can learn and become better, I think one can make even worse mistakes than Louis did and still redeem themselves.
I don't necessarily disagree actually. I'm all for forgiving people if they are willing to put in the effort to deserve it. The specific sexual assault topic is more so what I was talking about when coming to forgiveness, and we all know why. But I'm not against attempting to forgive somebody regardless of what they did in a lot of cases. I mean, I legit feel bad for people on Death Row and some of their stories are genuinely make you go like "well, maybe they weren't as bad as I initially thought." So I do see it both ways.

The Batlord 08-28-2018 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1991504)
I don't get how consensual sexual relations is now being considered sexual assault.

What would only be considered sexual harassment or misconduct if there was no consent.

Thoughtless on his part for not realizing that they might say yes because of how notorious the industry is for having people of authority force this on others as a means to determine their career, it's still something they consented to. Their assumptions of what he may do if they said no doesn't justify calling it sexual assault if they consented.

People grow, people learn, people change. I'm sure he has. You can't truly be self righteous enough to think he is unforgivable. Putting him on par with Kevin Spacey or Bill Cosby is unfair.
I mean it's all conjecture but I wouldn't be surprised if he knew full well they'd consent just because of who he was.

adidasss 08-28-2018 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1991505)
I mean now...;)

Lucem Ferre 08-28-2018 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 66Sexy (Post 1991518)
I mean it's all conjecture but I wouldn't be surprised if he knew full well they'd consent just because of who he was.
He admitted that he knew that he knew he was using the fact that they looked up to and admired him as a factor. Still not sexual assault, still not unforgivable.

grindy 08-28-2018 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1991535)
He admitted that he knew that he knew he was using the fact that they looked up to and admired him as a factor. Still not sexual assault, still not unforgivable.
Famous, powerful people aren't allowed to have any kind of sexual relations. Problem solved.

adidasss 08-28-2018 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1991535)
He admitted that he knew that he knew he was using the fact that they looked up to and admired him as a factor. Still not sexual assault, still not unforgivable.
Sure, it's sexual misconduct and abuse of power. Something that should make him distinctly less funny to most people. Or judging by the reaction of that crowd, not really. :/

Frownland 08-28-2018 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 1991543)
Something that should make him distinctly less funny to most people.
Is it really that shocking that people can laugh at funny jokes?

YorkeDaddy 08-28-2018 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 1991543)
Sure, it's sexual misconduct and abuse of power. Something that should make him distinctly less funny to most people. Or judging by the reaction of that crowd, not really. :/
Take an awkward, relatively unattractive dude who’s probably had little success in sexual advances or outgoing social attempts his entire life and then suddenly make him rich and powerful. That kind of thing will go to someone’s head and I really can’t blame them for it. The psychological implications of this whole thing are really sad to think about honestly. Fame and power can just fall into certain lucky people’s laps and they have no idea what to do with it or how to cope with it. I still firmly believe Louis has a good heart but made some serious mistakes and needs to face some consequences. That doesn’t seem he can never be forgiven or that he can’t still be funny

adidasss 08-28-2018 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1991548)
Is it really that shocking that people can laugh at funny jokes?
I'm gonna do a bit of a hyperbole, I'm not equating the situation but for argument's sake, let's imagine that Bill Cosby is funny, like Louis is/was, and you have the knowledge that he raped all those women, would his jokes still be funny? Or maybe not so much, because a creepy rapist says them?

Well, on some level, something similar is happening here. Or should happen. For me anyway...I can't just disassociate the person from their art...at least not a comedian...

But to each their own...:/

Frownland 08-28-2018 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 1991569)
let's imagine that Bill Cosby is funny
That's pretty unrealistic, dude.

Per your analogy, yes, I would laugh if I found it funny. Of course I'd view it through the lens of how I would view him but if he was talking about pudding pops and made a funny that lens wouldn't filter out my yuks. If he was talking about Spanish Fly....oof. I think that a lot of people will be viewing Louis through the lens of his scandal and I think he knows that and will plan his material accordingly.

Any word on what kind of topics he covered in his new performance?


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