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Old 11-22-2020, 12:00 PM   #241 (permalink)
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Ja, culture is biology and they don't negate each other.

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That’s assuming that consensual sex was even prevalent enough to be a factor during the millions of years it took for that differentiation to happen.

It could be more women wanted short men or didn’t care but taller men (or the pre-human ancestor equivalent to “man”) solved that problem with the reach advantage and fists.
Or since children can't reproduce, men who are closer to their height aren't recognized as sexually mature enough to reproduce. Or maybe tall guys stand in front of short people making them hard to see. Or an infinite set of shifting factors that evolutionary psychology tends to ignore when trying establish archaic behaviours as the Logickal peak of humanity.
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Old 11-22-2020, 12:04 PM   #242 (permalink)
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That’s assuming that consensual sex was even prevalent enough to be a factor during the millions of years it took for that differentiation to happen.

It could be more women wanted short men or didn’t care but taller men (or the pre-human ancestor equivalent to “man”) solved that problem with the reach advantage and fists.
that's much more of a stretch tbh

No doubt rape happened but sexual selection in humans was typically on a pair bonding basis. That's not something that would be likely to have an actual impact on the selective pressures. And the idea that trailer men are better at raping women is not even that compelling in the first place. They're would have to be a ****load of rape going on for height differences to manifest in that way.
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Old 11-22-2020, 12:09 PM   #243 (permalink)
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There is nothing harmful in women and men being different on average, that's true. The problem starts as soon as you base categories on it that people need to conform to. We agree about that I guess. I just think it's impossible to have those categories without the pressure, at least in practice
that's a catch 22 though

Cause it's also impossible to allow people to do what they want and not expect that they might end up forming into what appears to be groups.

We're pattern seeking animals and we inherently categorize in this fashion. I don't see a way around that.
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Old 11-22-2020, 12:19 PM   #244 (permalink)
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Ja, culture is biology and they don't negate each other.
I appreciate the nod to that point.

jwb, rape is a really loaded term when describing our prehuman ancestors. At some point on the way back the primordial soup you reach the point where consent couldn’t even be remotely understood, and like Frown says there’s millions of what ifs we can make up when we start telling sociobiological stories about why we are how we are

E. O. Wilson does a great job of dismantling the Dawkins form of selfish gene explanations.

I’m not dismissing evolutionary psychology or sociobiology but in science it usually turns out that the easy intuitive answer has a million holes in it. Gotta be nuanced dude!

Honestly I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m just saying when it comes to specifics that **** gets very complex.
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If we survive we will splinter into different species and that’s a way around that.
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And the idea that trailer men are better at raping women is not even that compelling in the first place.
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I appreciate the nod to that point.

jwb, rape is a really loaded term when describing our prehuman ancestors. At some point on the way back the primordial soup you reach the point where consent couldn’t even be remotely understood, and like Frown says there’s millions of what ifs we can make up when we start telling sociobiological stories about why we are how we are

E. O. Wilson does a great job of dismantling the Dawkins form of selfish gene explanations.

I’m not dismissing evolutionary psychology or sociobiology but in science it usually turns out that the easy intuitive answer has a million holes in it. Gotta be nuanced dude!

Honestly I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m just saying when it comes to specifics that **** gets very complex.
No, I'm pretty sure hunter gatherers understood rape. Not necessarily that word for it but they would recognize It's pretty straight forward. I think you underestimate their intelligence.

They existed in familial units. Women weren't just on their own. They had brothers and fathers and uncles etc to protect them.

It's not even speculation. Tribes still exist on this planet to this day.
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Old 11-22-2020, 01:14 PM   #249 (permalink)
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No, I'm pretty sure hunter gatherers understood rape.
It took like 3 billion years of previous evolution to get to huntin and gatherin

I’m way into the h&g scene dude

They had it going on

The speculation is how when and why males became on average taller

It’s not a given

And **** dude no one thinks hunter gatherers weren’t real

Dafuq?
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I'm saying you can observe the tribal structure that exists today to corroborate how it is they probably existed in the past.

Not saying rape doesn't happen, but it's not the main way that women get pregnant.
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