The Relationship Thread

The Batlord · 11-23-2020, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Yeah but in modern day rich societies senseless violence is exceedingly rare

you have domestic violence and gang related violence accounting for the incredible majority

so it seems like we'd want to look at the causes there, rather than suppose some natural violence thing in the male brain (these assumptions almost always turn out wrong)

Translation: rednecks and black people are violent but I'm cool.

~~jwb~~ · 11-23-2020, 10:23 PM

Just as many if not more assumptions that have come out of psychology and sociology have been wrong

The idea that biology applies to every organism except humans is just our own hubris

~~jwb~~ · 11-23-2020, 10:39 PM

Not really

It's an advantage that we can learn behavior and pass on information verbally

That doesn't mean we ceased to have instincts or became less reliant on them

Rather our instincts expanded to include the ability to learn things via social interaction and observation. All of this serves the same basic function that any instinct serves. Which is just guidelines to live by.

~~jwb~~ · 11-23-2020, 10:56 PM

Source?

I mean you are straight up delusional if you think nature somehow doesn't apply to us cause through some natural process we superceded nature.

~~jwb~~ · 11-23-2020, 11:10 PM

That's sorta my point though

Societal influences are informed to a large extent by natural trends

So proclaiming it's social and not natural is just as nonsensical as claiming the reverse.

~~jwb~~ · 11-23-2020, 11:13 PM

So take a drug that affects you physiologically to erase the influence of nature

Makes sense

~~jwb~~ · 11-23-2020, 11:18 PM

You could say the same about biology lol.

The social aspect is just an extension of biology in reality.

OccultHawk · 11-23-2020, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwb

You could say the same about biology lol.

The social aspect is just an extension of biology in reality.

The ghost extension

~~jwb~~ · 11-23-2020, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor

it's to erase social influence or probably deconstruct it

as the postmodernists started to point out the degree that language has an influence on our thinking

what makes you think taking drugs removes social influence?

It's funny how you are proposing all this stuff and yet are skeptical about the most basic and mainstream biology.

~~jwb~~ · 11-23-2020, 11:33 PM

I understand the difference

You're just wrong in assuming that one overrides the other completely

You didn't even know what sexual selection was at the start of this convo so don't even bother trying to act like you're on sone different level of understanding. Both me and OH understand this question better than you do.

11-23-2020, 10:23 PM	#372 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Just as many if not more assumptions that have come out of psychology and sociology have been wrong The idea that biology applies to every organism except humans is just our own hubris

11-23-2020, 10:39 PM	#373 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Not really It's an advantage that we can learn behavior and pass on information verbally That doesn't mean we ceased to have instincts or became less reliant on them Rather our instincts expanded to include the ability to learn things via social interaction and observation. All of this serves the same basic function that any instinct serves. Which is just guidelines to live by.

11-23-2020, 10:56 PM	#374 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Source? I mean you are straight up delusional if you think nature somehow doesn't apply to us cause through some natural process we superceded nature.

11-23-2020, 11:10 PM	#375 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	That's sorta my point though Societal influences are informed to a large extent by natural trends So proclaiming it's social and not natural is just as nonsensical as claiming the reverse.

11-23-2020, 11:13 PM	#376 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	So take a drug that affects you physiologically to erase the influence of nature Makes sense

11-23-2020, 11:18 PM	#377 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	You could say the same about biology lol. The social aspect is just an extension of biology in reality.

11-23-2020, 11:33 PM	#380 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I understand the difference You're just wrong in assuming that one overrides the other completely You didn't even know what sexual selection was at the start of this convo so don't even bother trying to act like you're on sone different level of understanding. Both me and OH understand this question better than you do.