Marie Monday

Like I said I think generally taking from other cultures is a form of cultural exchange which is great, and I agree with Lucem's whiny liberal comment, but he also makes a good point about why taking from other cultures has to be paired with respect for that culture's people. You're a sweetheart, but you dismiss issues with racism far too easily.

So to give an example that you may relate to more: imagine chav culture would become fashionable among typical tory kids. So they'd dress like that etc. just for fun, but they'd still act just as snobbish. That would feel wrong, wouldn't it?

and that's another good point. Taking cool aspects from people's culture shouldn't actually take something away from them

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Cuthbert

Well they kind of already do in places, they definitely dress, speak and listen to the music but I don't care tbh.

Marie Monday

fair enough, not being bothered about that is a heatlhy attitude, but I think people are justified in finding a phenomenon like that a bit insulting. And apart from just causing hurt feelings it can have harmful consequences. Cultural exchange, in the nice sense, happens when you don't only get in touch with aspects of other cultures, but also the people. If you take from other cultures without any respect for the people, you exclude those people from the process. Then it becomes taking things away from a culture, not sharing it. In many cases that's fine because nothing is really lost to you if people copy things from your culture, but sometimes things are lost: like the historical example of stolen art, or people profiting off the copied culture while you get nothing. Or they don't try to understand the culture they take from you, they make it into something else, and then that leads to misunderstandings and prejudice about you.

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Lucem Ferre

That video of Machine Gun Kelly dancing on a table for a bunch of record execs while being careful not to step on their laptops and calling it "punk" is exactly what harmful cultural appropriation is. If you don't get why that's offensive I can't help ya.

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Marie Monday

cancel that bitch

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The Batlord

It's not harmful cultural appropriation though. It doesn't harm black people and in general is just white people doing what black people do. It's not like the Redskins or the Indians sports teams with feather headresses that appropriate harmful stereotypes of Native Americans that allow white people to "own" indigeonous culture in a way that reinforces that they are savages.

And it absolutely isn't the same as minstrel shows that are just straight up "Look at how dumb black people are."

Cultural appropriation is a neutral concept. The context is what makes it potentially problematic. Pretty sure this is why the popular cultural appropriation discourse was so short lived. A bunch of idiots harped on about it for a bit but the nuance necessary for it to be relevant precluded it being any kind of central leftist discourse cause cultural appropriation in general is fine.

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Marie Monday

yeah that nails it I think

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Frownland

How is this cringe

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jwb

Italians invented building an entire society on organized crime and letting it seep into and ultimately corrupt and hijack the very institutions and government that we live under.

Mexico and the rest of central america are appropriating the **** out of Italian culture.

Trollheart

Mexico and Central America gonna find themselves sleeping with the fishes...

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