The Batlord

We were chill though. Even Chula was keeping a lid on it.

Go back to Africa.

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Chula Vista

Agreed. Was enjoying the debate actually.

Bat, I think it's a bit of a stretch between "The Pentagon assisted in making a movie" and "Because of the FOIA, the Pentagon turned over 8 pages of records related to all conflicts after WWII, and some of that info was used in helping to make post WWII war movies more factual".

The Pentagon (Government) spends billions of dollars a year in PR in an effort to make military service seem glorified, even glamorous.

The few, the proud, the marines!!!

The movies I listed all made military service, the military itself, and in some cases, the government look like a nightmare in hell.

Friendly Fire was based on the true story of a fervent antiwar activist for cripes sake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peg_Mullen

We can agree to disagree though if it will help Grindy sleep tonight.

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The Batlord

**** that.

The United States military is not "helping" studios to make movies factual. They leverage their millions/billions of dollars in equipment to force studios to portray the military in a way that they want. If a studio forgoes that Pentagon stamp of approval they need to pay a king's ransom for all of that premium equipment and if they do that then there's a vastly improved likelihood that they won't have the money to make the kind of movie that Black Hawk Down or Saving Private Ryan did. It's much like a band forgoing major label money to make an album without the production quality and distribution network that a major label brings. It's basically hamstringing a movie and many of those movies have suffered in the box office because of it. It's extortion tbh.

Yes. And Hollywood war movies are a legitimate part of this propoganda and if it weren't they wouldn't bother giving the time of day to Hollywood.

There are definitely movies that have foregone the Pentagon stamp of approval and many of them have fallen by the wayside because of it. Movies like Apocalypse Now, Platoon, and Full Metal Jacket have done this and won big due to their refusal to compromise but those are not the rule.

And there's still the issue I and Frown have pointed out that even if a movie doesn't engage in jingoism it still generally portrays soldiers sympathetically, and that's basically all you need to do to make an audience root for soldiers, which all by itself encourages the public to deify the military.

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Chula Vista

I understand your points. I just don't fully agree with them.

*starts working on improving his cynicism*

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YorkeDaddy

Guys I just wanna gush about good movies not have arguments

Opening the floor to people that have seen Hereditary again, because god damn i love that movie

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Seeing it today. I have very high hopes.

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Probably a movie you'll only watch today and never again. It's a very dreadful watch.

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9/10 m8

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We're a pussy forum now and conflicts are deescalated preemptively so **** you all and carry on I guess.

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Chula Vista

That Vince Vaughn flick is great BTW. I use to have a hard time with him in serious roles, since he built a career on snark and sarcasm. After S2 of True Detective, and now this flick, that's all changed. Dude's a powerhouse.

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