The Batlord

Nah, Cap and Iron Man were never the right counterpoints in the first place. Iron Man was a shoot from the hip non-conformist and Cap was a Boyscout who wasn't willing to let the establishment override his own moral code. They should have been united against whoever the pro-registration person was. Nick Fury probably should have been the villain tbh.

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The Batlord

See the thing about Captain America that makes him potentially the greatest anti-establishment superhero is that he supposedly stands for what America is supposed to stand for, and since America has actually never stood for that it makes him the perfect vehicle for challenging American bull**** authoritarianism while expressing the disappointment in the ideal that was never realized.

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Lucem Ferre

It fits his character arc in the movies and is a bit more human to paint him as a nuanced person who has contradicting character traits.

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The Batlord

Yeah actually. Captain America does in fact give up the the costume cause he loses his faith in America sometime in the 70s and I'm pretty sure it wasn't the last time. It wasn't a part of his original incarnation in the 40s obviously but it's continually been a theme with him since his revival in the 60s. One of his defining character traits has become basically being a metaphor for America morally coming up short.

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The Batlord

And one good example of good guy Cap in modern comics is Uncanny Avengers, where Cap deals with how editorially mutants have generally been kept separate from the rest of the Marvel universe because if a brutally oppressed people who span all the world were acknowledged as a major concern they'd literally take over every series from Spider-Man to the Avengers to Doctor Strange to the Fantastic Four to etc.

But Cap realizes that the Avengers, the world's greatest heroes, continually ignoring the mutant question because it's politically awkward to deal with, is wrong and so creates a new team of Avengers with a 50/50 split between Avengers and X-Men. And he even steps down as leader to allow Cyclops's brother Havoc to lead the team because he believes that this team should be led by a mutant to show solidarity with mutants.

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Lucem Ferre

Yeah, but the thing here is that the movie Iron Man came up with the idea and is narcissistic enough to push something he came up with. And it completely goes along with his character arc of self sacrifice for what he thinks is the greater good. Everything he does that undermines authority is because he thinks he's always right and it's lead to a lot of **** ups including creating something that almost destroyed the world. It goes completely with his character that the guilt he felt from that moment inspires him to push something he thinks is right on other people. Gives him a lot more nuance and humanity IMO.

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Lucem Ferre

Killmonger is one of my favorite villains.

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grindy

I understand that to a true blue American like yourself all of Europe is one amorphous, socialist blob, but actually we have distinct countries, with Poland and Sweden being among the most distinct compared to each other.

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The Batlord

Finished The Exorcist and while there's a lot I liked about it everything with the possessed little girl was goofy and corny. And the actual exorcism felt rushed and anti-climactic. The young priest was a pretty great character though.

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WWWP

My bad, thought I remembered it being Polish. *shrug* I know geography. Dick.

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