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Old 02-11-2019, 02:00 PM   #11941 (permalink)
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Old 02-11-2019, 02:20 PM   #11942 (permalink)
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okay ignore art.. crocheting is pure mindless tedium until your quilt is done.. waste of life?

on the flip side, if grinding requires mental focus in the form of monsters having abilities that require you to pay attention or an in depth crafting system that requires decision making and mechanical precision do you still think it's a waste of time?

I'm not picking at your life decisions, I'm just trying to understand the reasoning behind your seemingly arbitrary double standards.
My definition of grinding is that it's mindless. Like killing the same easy mobs over and over in the same way for exp. If it requires mental effort, it's not what I'd consider grinding. I also don't consider it a double standard, as what you do when you grind works differently mentally. Reward schedules and exploitation of Pavlovian responses. Basically the same psychology that games like Farmville exploit, and yeah, I do consider Farmville a horrible waste of time.

I assume crocheting requires some fine motor skills and it certainly occupies less of your mind when you're able to do it on auto pilot, than a game would. You're looking at the screen, absorbing information, reacting to it - even if on a very, very basic level that requires no effort. I deadens thought where crocheting would be something you could do while having more concentrated thoughts. To me, grinding is like unplugging yourself for a while. Like a sort of temporary death (hyperbole, but gets a point across). It takes you away from the real world and this feeling that you want to keep going until the next meter goes "ping!" has power over the mind in a sort of bad and unconstructive way. You'll hate me saying this, but I think that it's very possible that, given some years, you will come to agree with me and quit certain kinds of games. Many change their gaming habits when they've spent enough years doing the same **** over and over.

I also don't even do crocheting, so it's not like I feel like I should have to defend it.
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Old 02-11-2019, 02:29 PM   #11943 (permalink)
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I started a new DoS 2 character. Basically going full barbarian and attempting to kill as many people as possible. I've already experienced the story so I figured why not. I'm also handicapping myself and going solo. No party members whatsoever. Already killed Beast, The Red Prince and Sebille. Currently have tons of spells and like 20 res scrolls. This is fun.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:25 PM   #11944 (permalink)
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My definition of grinding is that it's mindless. Like killing the same easy mobs over and over in the same way for exp. If it requires mental effort, it's not what I'd consider grinding. I also don't consider it a double standard, as what you do when you grind works differently mentally. Reward schedules and exploitation of Pavlovian responses. Basically the same psychology that games like Farmville exploit, and yeah, I do consider Farmville a horrible waste of time.

I assume crocheting requires some fine motor skills and it certainly occupies less of your mind when you're able to do it on auto pilot, than a game would. You're looking at the screen, absorbing information, reacting to it - even if on a very, very basic level that requires no effort. I deadens thought where crocheting would be something you could do while having more concentrated thoughts. To me, grinding is like unplugging yourself for a while. Like a sort of temporary death (hyperbole, but gets a point across). It takes you away from the real world and this feeling that you want to keep going until the next meter goes "ping!" has power over the mind in a sort of bad and unconstructive way. You'll hate me saying this, but I think that it's very possible that, given some years, you will come to agree with me and quit certain kinds of games. Many change their gaming habits when they've spent enough years doing the same **** over and over.

I also don't even do crocheting, so it's not like I feel like I should have to defend it.
You make it sound like you made a conscious decision to not play certain types of games that you would otherwise continue to enjoy, but really you just naturally got bored with them. Seems pretty mindlessly elitist tbh. If you don't want to play them then don't play them, but don't invent some bull**** self-actualization reason for it.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:42 PM   #11945 (permalink)
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grinding does kinda suck

but role-playing a character is fun and progression of said character is part of it

but I think games should lean towards giving XP for exploring and quests and PvP or raids

and minimize mob farming

but maybe the MMO environment is always doomed to a type of grind as the optimal lvl strats are discovered
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:16 PM   #11946 (permalink)
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I started a new DoS 2 character. Basically going full barbarian and attempting to kill as many people as possible. I've already experienced the story so I figured why not. I'm also handicapping myself and going solo. No party members whatsoever. Already killed Beast, The Red Prince and Sebille. Currently have tons of spells and like 20 res scrolls. This is fun.
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Old 02-12-2019, 01:06 AM   #11947 (permalink)
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You make it sound like you made a conscious decision to not play certain types of games that you would otherwise continue to enjoy, but really you just naturally got bored with them. Seems pretty mindlessly elitist tbh. If you don't want to play them then don't play them, but don't invent some bull**** self-actualization reason for it.
No, it actually came from reading tonnes of game design theory and listening to tonnes of interviews with Jonathan Blow, who is very critical of things that lots of games do.
It made me think about what games I was playing and after enough time of having all these thoughts about it, I decided to eventually get rid of all the stuff that I saw as being a big time sink for me.
I don't know why this makes you angry and I'm not elitist, because that would require me to judge other people's choices, which I don't. This is just what I found meaningful for me to do and I'm happier this way, with 2-4 hours of gaming on an average week instead of 10-30. Sometimes waaaay more.

I don't talk much about it, but I used to be very deep into something that almost seemed like gaming addiction in retrospect. Now I do creative stuff instead, read books, sit and listen to albums on my stereo and watch more movies. It's better for me this way.
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Old 02-12-2019, 02:15 PM   #11948 (permalink)
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that's kinda his point why would you change what you enjoy based on reading design theory

all games are a time sink

I tend to spend the most time now on games where I can improve at a skill and track my progression over time

learning a combo in a fighting game is kinda like learning a scale on guitar
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Old 02-12-2019, 05:23 PM   #11950 (permalink)
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