Pop, is it corporate garbage or does it have it's merits? (music video, single)

~~Oomph!~~ · 04-09-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off

Any of that official like the RATM stuff? Didn't think so.

They will get sued if it isn't.

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And how can they take responsibility for a tattoo idiot?

Because they are selling an image, that underground punk/anarchist image, people are spending money to get thier tatoo so gee, must be (no more or less than someone getting 'OOMPH' across thier rear window is)

Piss Me Off · 04-09-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

They will get sued if it isn't.

Because they are selling an image, that underground punk/anarchist image, people are spending money to get thier tatoo so gee, must be (no more or less than someone getting 'OOMPH' across thier rear window is)

Thats not the point, the point is the artists themselves didn't directly give permission for it to be made.

I don't know much about Crass, but what i do know is that they didn't have an image for selling purposes. There's a difference between giving someone the idea and actually physically giving someone the product.

~~Oomph!~~ · 04-09-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off

Thats not the point, the point is the artists themselves didn't directly give permission for it to be made.

At some point or another the band had to give permission to someone to make thier merchandise. And please don't confuse me I'm not saying Crass is corporate sell out I'm simply juxtapositioning them against Oomph to show that simply having some little trinkets of merchandice does not = selling out.

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I don't know much about Crass, but what i do know is that they didn't have an image for selling purposes. There's a difference between giving someone the idea and actually physically giving someone the product.

I agree but the same is true for Oomph, if thier label wants to manufacture merch so be it, but the band themselves are not compromising thier music for things like MTV, or to be in the background of commercials or to be covered by 'Kidz Bop' or to be played during American Idol or to be mass downloaded as a ringtone (.99c a piece or something) or to be put on NOW music CDs or what not.

Ok, one time Oomph let the German soccer team use one of thier songs as thier entrance theme, and they also made a song for AVP2, which was a side project, and that's the entire extent of thier music going outside of thier albums commercially. That's it.

Piss Me Off · 04-09-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

At some point or another the band had to give permission to someone to make thier merchandise. And please don't confuse me I'm not saying Crass is corporate sell out I'm simply juxtapositioning them against Oomph to show that simply having some little trinkets of merchandice does not = selling out.

I agree but the same is true for Oomph, if thier label wants to manufacture merch so be it, but the band themselves are not compromising thier music for things like MTV, or to be in the background of commercials or to be covered by 'Kidz Bop' or to be played during American Idol or to be mass downloaded as a ringtone (.99c a piece or something) or to be put on NOW music CDs or what not.

Ok, one time Oomph let the German soccer team use one of thier songs as thier entrance theme, and they also made a song for AVP2, which was a side project, and that's the entire extent of thier music going outside of thier albums commercially. That's it.

Like its been said before, once the band have split up the label can do what they want with the image and allow merchandise to be made.

They allowed one of the songs to be used as an entrance theme for a NATIONAL football team. Thats a hell of a lot of exposure, eh? Not having a dig or anything but thats the same as letting NOW put one of their songs on their CD's, loads of people are going to hear it either way.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 04-09-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

Well, since merchandise clearly indicates corporate sell out, Crass is out and we still have no answer to 'Is there a band that isn't a corporate sell out and makes talented music?'.

Crass split up a long time ago , Almost anyone can get merchandising rights for bands that have long since split up. The money goes to the license holder , not the band.

~~Oomph!~~ · 04-09-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Crass split up a long time ago , Almost anyone can get merchandising rights for bands that have long since split up. The money goes to the license holder , not the band.

It's very much true for bands still together, most of the money goes to the lisence holder and the band has little say to merchandise and sales, the label does. The band has a right to thier music but thier name, the merchandise etc almost always belongs to thier label (who wouldn't sign them unless they were given those rights since all labels want to make money and would sign a band that would refuse to sell merchandise)

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Crass split up a long time ago , Almost anyone can get merchandising rights for bands that have long since split up. The money goes to the license holder , not the band.

And even while they were together they were selling that 'rebellious anarchist' image.

sleepy jack · 04-09-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

It's very much true for bands still together, most of the money goes to the lisence holder and the band has little say to merchandise and sales, the label does. The band has a right to thier music but thier name, the merchandise etc almost always belongs to thier label (who wouldn't sign them unless they were given those rights since all labels want to make money and would sign a band that would refuse to sell merchandise)

No you're actually wrong. Bands do make money from merchandise. Stop pretending you know what you're talking about, as the past several pages have proven your pretty prone to make things up when you've been proven wrong.

~~Oomph!~~ · 04-09-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

No you're actually wrong. Bands do make money from merchandise. Stop pretending you know what you're talking about, as the past several pages have proven your pretty prone to make things up when you've been proven wrong.

I never said they made no money, read it again.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 04-09-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

And even while they were together they were selling that 'rebellious anarchist' image.

Sudden expert on Crass now are we?

So a band who were formed from an anarchist commune who lived in squats , were signed to a tiny independent label and who used most of their royalties to promote loads of anti globalization , anti war , feminist & enviromental causes were 'selling the rebellious anarchist' image.

OK then

~~Oomph!~~ · 04-09-2008, 03:19 PM

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Sudden expert on Crass now are we?

So a band who were formed from an anarchist commune who lived in squats , were signed to a tiny independent label and who used most of their royalties to promote loads of anti globalization , anti war , feminist & enviromental causes were 'selling the rebellious anarchist' image.

OK then

Yes they promoted 'causes' so does U2, one of the most rediculously commercial bands there is, U2 was just better at it.

Using music to label and promote a cause (as oppose to express it without wheedling or rallying your audience) is a very sell-outy/dishonest thing to do. If someone wants to use music to express thier feelings on an issue, sure that's fine, but 'rallying the troops' into a political organization using your music as a label for that idea instead of leaving your music alone as simply a piece of expression or art isn't as ok, it's compromising.

Oomph does not do that, nothing about thier music is some political beacon to appeal to anything outside of music and music alone.