Yeah, Armstrong I have plagiarized some songs, but some of his albums, especially Dookie and Amrican Idiot, are good pop albums. But punk they are not.

Their connection to Punk was mainly through their time being known with the Gillman Street crowd in SF through the Late 80's ad Early 90's, mainly in a very trying time for Punk after the fall of Hardcore and a scene finding something in a very mixed bag so they do have a small part in Punk history despite being more of a Power Pop band at heart in my opinion. When they were on Lookout, there was a little more edge to their sound but one can hear in their Pop Punk that it was a band looking to break through in a more mainstream kind of way as a lot of their lyrics were very mostly lovey-dovey.

To those who have not heard the Lookout stuff, here's a small example. They had a lot of interest in Rock history, as obviously told by many keen ears when it comes to describing what some parts of their songs sound like. Here, it's with the title...and Rolling Stones fans will already know where they got the idea for it from.

Still, you have to admit they have a way with a hook.

The book Gimme Something Better, a Bay Area Punk Scene collection of quotes in Please Kill Me style that's a great read, Green Day's connection to Punk is fully explained.

Yeah. But Green Day once were a damn good pop punk band. And also,weren't The Ramines pop musical in their hearts, too?

I agree - very catchy songs.

You mean The Ramones? If so, that's true - especially with Joey, who's knowledge of classic 60's Pop is highly regarded as a major influence on their style. Still, although both bands were from the street, in my opinion The Ramones kept it down to earth.

No matter what one's opinion is, though, one's interest in Punk should at least go to the Lookout era GD for a continuation of the Pop Punk chapter and the bridge to it's short time in the Mainstream.

I've never really got into Green Day. My bestie loves them (like how I secretly like Blink 182) but I can't stand their American Idiot junk.

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Blasphemy

They hit their peak musically with American Idiot. They challenged themselves to branch out and did an awesome job of it along with their social commentary and setting up the stage for their concept album that follows after.

I'm not.
 

I'm not.

Its generic rubbish, they were trying too hard to be edgy and rebellious so teenagers will buy their album. Concept album, bah! Sorry DJ, we can agree to disagree. :)

That's why I prefer Kerplunk! and Dookie.

You don't think they were trying to be rebellious on Dookie of all albums?