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Old 06-09-2010, 05:16 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Two questions, same answer.
"Did Malcolm McLaren Invent Punk?"
"Would punk have happened (as we know it) had Mclaren not formed the Sex Pistols?"
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Old 06-09-2010, 05:19 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Two questions, same answer.
"Did Malcolm McLaren Invent Punk?"
"Would punk have happened had Mclaren not formed the Sex Pistols?"
As an ideology no, as a musical form-yes. It just didn't have a name. You could argue that he was (gulp) the Simon Cowell of the day. He saw an opportunity and grasped it. I don't think he approached the scene as a monetary opportunity but he certainly gained prestige from it.
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Old 06-09-2010, 05:25 PM   #93 (permalink)
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But in the words of Ian Dury: 'There ain't half been some clever bastards' and he recognised the potential of the scene , for good or bad.

Fans in the know do acknowledge the origins of Punk and attribute it to many American bands. Mc Claren bottled it, gave it a name and spawned a sub genre.

We could be pedantic and say that the British invasion in the 60's was a catalyst for the forerunners of Punk but then we would be going around in circles I guess.
Oh McLaren was pretty wily - I have respect for him as a businessman, just not a human being. And he's probably largely responsible for the London scene.
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Old 06-09-2010, 05:41 PM   #94 (permalink)
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Fans in the know do acknowledge the origins of Punk and attribute it to many American bands. Mc Claren bottled it, gave it a name and spawned a sub genre.
I understand what you're getting at and agree to a certain extent but I wouldn't give McLaren credit for naming it.
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I understand what you're getting at and agree to a certain extent but I wouldn't give McLaren credit for naming it.
Not literally I guess. It was a general summary and hopefully you get what I was trying to say- in effect he was a businessman. I attribute the scene equally and won't say that the UK invented punk. That's presumptuous.

As an aside , I do think that U.K music benifitted from punk and the Post Punk genre produced some of the best U.K music in the early 80's.

I advise you all to watch Don Letts Punk documentary which is a superb account of the genre and not a bias piece that only regards the UK regarding Punk.
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Yeah I want to see that Letts film.

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in effect he was a businessman.
Too right - the Jubilee stunt was quite a bright idea.
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Old 06-09-2010, 06:39 PM   #97 (permalink)
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...the Post Punk genre produced some of the best U.K music in the early 80's.
Absolutely. Probably 90% of my favorite post-punk bands are from the UK.

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I advise you all to watch Don Letts Punk documentary which is a superb account of the genre and not a bias piece that only regards the UK regarding Punk.
I don't think I've heard of that before I'll most certainly have to check it out. Thanks!
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Absolutely. Probably 90% of my favorite post-punk bands are from the UK.


I don't think I've heard of that before I'll most certainly have to check it out. Thanks!
Not from the film but a little insight into the guy (thanks to him Reggae informed a lot of UK punk):

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Fans in the know do acknowledge the origins of Punk and attribute it to many American bands. Mc Claren bottled it, gave it a name and spawned a sub genre.
Who's Mc Claren?

I don't know who came up with and decided on the term "Punk" but from what I heard Malcolm McLaren wanted the Sex Pistols to be known as "New Wave" as the term for their musical genre.
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