Dinosaur Jr's Beyond was on many best of 2007 lists. I don't know where you've been but I've heard all those bands discussed frequently. Dig Lazarus Dig (Nick Cave) is already looking to be one of the best albums of 2008.

I didn't hear anything, beyond listening to the radio I don't follow much when it comes to music. I wasn't a big fan of Sonic Youth or Dinosaur Jr. back in 1994/1995 when I first heard of them so I just never kept up with them. I'm also not a huge Green Day fan but I know most of their new songs because I can recognize them as they are on heavy radio rotation (the stations I listen to).

Perhaps I am out of the loop (under a rock) when it comes to what is still relevant, etc. My point was, I don't blame a band when they do what's necessary in order to stay relevant and sell more records while acquiring more fans in the process. I don't view that as selling out as music can be argued to be a just as much a business as it is an art form.

I pretty much feel that a band is like a business and people should go in with the mindset to maximize profit...

yeah, they are selling a product and the more polished that product is the more of it they are going to sell.

The musician who is smart in business will always have the advantage over the musician who isn't
(obvious I know).

That might be the single dumbest opinion i have ever heard. I will not even bother to explain why, it says that for itself.

dumbest? really? I've seen some pretty dumb **** on here. I respect your different opinion on the matter, I know you said you won't explain why but I am curious to know why you feel a band shouldn't view themselves as a business.

You can ask any real musician who truly loves what they do, and they will tell you the same. Being in a band is not a business, or about seeing how many coppies you can sell, or how much money you can fit in your pockets, but about putting your music out and seeing how people respond to it.

edit: If you are making a song for the purpose of putting money in your pockets you have some learning to do.

Why not make the song because you love making music but then take that song you love and make some money with it? I don't see why the two can't be married... as humble as it is to be the starving artist it's also pretty stupid when you can be making a nice living by doing what you love. When I say business I don't mean when it comes to writing the songs, I mean when it comes to marketing them.

So Bob Marley, Pink Floyd and The Beatles are sellouts?

F*ck.

i agree dookie is a pretty good album. You have no idea how much **** i got from my friends when they saw it on my ipod.

haha, of coarse, once you sell a tshirt there goes your carrear.

I felt queasy reading this

theyre just pop bands...

I have a hard time putting punk and Good Charlotte and Fall Out Boy in the same sentence....I mean it makes you think what the **** punk means, I mean if it was meant to be anti establishemnt stuff, then Fall Out Boy and Good Charlotte shouldnt even be in that category...its a tough subject, its like asking if there's life beyond death, there is no definitive answer

You got sh*t for liking Dookie? What a ridiculous concept. How old are you? Dookie was one of the albums that defined my transition from little kid who didn't listen to music to little kid who made music his life. I feel like age has a big thing to do with this. All these little chowderheads who grew up hearing people bash Green Day for their later releases just sticks that opinion wherever they see the name Green Day. Not their... FAULT... really, but that's just become the "way". Dookie, in particular, was so massively important to my generation musically that I can't imagine anyone getting rebuffed for enjoying it.

Dookie was a great album, but I don't like anything Green Day released later.

God that album was great....I miss those days :(

Pete Wentz is the biggest sell out ever he acts like a pop princess now and he is dating Ashley Simpson the chick that slaughtered music

Why do people bother even acknowledging Fall Out Boy and Good Charlotte.

i agree dookie was like thier transition album because kerplunk was ****ing amazing dookie was almost as good and then i was all bad...i mean nimrod was ok but nothing on it was as good as the early stuff

who even considers fall out boy punk? i mean maybe god charlotte could be pre-life and death

fall out boy isn't neccesrily bad but they are definatley sellouts and deffinatley not punk they're are one of those bands where i like the music but hate the band you know?

A better question to ask is: why do people consider bands like this to be called "Punk", when they're CLEARLY NOT?

Last time I checked Avril Levigne.Sum 41 and Good Charlotte, were not then, not now, not ever PUNK.

....and that answers the question. People call them sellouts because they are cashing in on the punk name and image when in reality they are not a punks bumhole. /end thread

I'm Convinced.

Good Charlotte Kick-ass And Fall Out Boy Suck.

They're hardcore anarchists, aren't they d00d?

I mean, with spikey hair and lyrics like "don't wanna be youuuuuu", that is so against the system.

I'm gonna go spraypaint their name along with other bands like Sum 41 and Hedley that are punx on a downtown wall because that's how anti-establishment I am.

http://www.imyspacegraphics.com/imag...nd-5200088.jpg

Oi!

I agree with a large majority of the people here... those two bands sell on their "punk" personas.

I admit, though, that I used to like Fall Out Boy. I bought their first two CDs and everything. But now I think back and want to slap myself :/ Their music isn't too awful or anything, though. I never did like Good Charlotte...

I think the biggest problem is that they are "mainstream" and when a band makes it to that point, they get big headed and sometimes their talent begins to decline. And their old fans start to dislike them because suddenly everyone knows who they are and therefore they aren't "cool" anymore... admit it... >_>

Yeah, the thing is, they were always mainstream.

Not Fall Out Boy :/

No one knew who they were until that "We're going down, down blah blah blah" CD came out...

(They had another CD before that. That no one has really heard of. Meaning, not always mainstream...)

But they still suck.

Wow. This thread reminds me of something that happened to me a while ago.

My sister asked me to tell her about a few bands that she would enjoy, and she doesn't have terrible taste (she listens to stuff like 3 Doors Down, Foo Fighters and Radiohead). I obliged, giving her a list of a few bands worth noting but nothing too obscure. About a week later, I found the list of bands that I gave her scrawled on by her friend. My list was crossed out, and there was a new list in its place. There were bands there like Fall Out Boy, Sum 41, and Good Charlotte in their place. And right them was the label that made me cry: GOOD BANDS.

I can't believe how universally swallowed this **** is. These bands are nothing but an enema.

Yeah man kick-ass, punks not dead, anarchy, yeah yeah man, oh man they are such a mad sick total band of chaos and punk energy and dood they are so focking awesome. Im going to listen to some now.....just to scare myself as to how punk they are, then I am going to get a GC Tatoo on my neck so the rest of the world can think I kick ass as well.

Looking at that picture...they are from DC???? wow...I'm surprised they didn't get banned like the Brains did.

I know man, finally another band to come out DC, now we've got Minor Threat, Bad Brains, and Good mutha ****in' Charlotte!!! :yeah:

whats your beef with sum 41?

I'd imagine most people's beef with Sum 41 is that they blow monkey anus

lol, so does that make Black Flag and Bad Brains sellouts? I remember my friend buying them from hot topic.

i guess so

Exactly, its an attitude, a state of mind. doesnt matter how you look as long as you have the state of mind then your "punk" to me
for me Anarcho "punk", Crust and Grindcore all the way FTW!

Because they got to popular.

I was under the impression they were just **** music for teen girls who think theyre deep...how can you sell out from that?

thats true

Good vocals, melodies, lyrics (ok). So they aren't indie, but they aren't bad either. I agree. Guilty pleasure.