That's what they all say.

"Oh, I liked them before they got popular."

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realy i didnt think GC were that bad before they quit pretending to be punk...theyre first two albums were ok

Yes but it's Stiff Little Fingers & the Clash that allegedly influenced Green Day... and their early stuff in my opinion wasn't bad. I love Time Of Your Life for nostalgia's sake. I wouldn't call the early stuff "hardcore", though, just... I dunno. Genuine. What "sellout" means to me is not genuine. FOB to me, and the bands that follow in that "catergory" are not genuine because they're mass-produced and whatnot, just too general to be genuine if you will. Out to make money. Then again, sub-question, is it wrong to disown a band for being famous? Cobain killed himself cuz he was too famous (at least, that's the popular theory), and people still love Nirvana. But Nirvana, to me, was genuine. See, people like bands like Nirvana and Radiohead not because they're shoved down your throat 24/7 by the media, but because they're just GOOD.

Someone's watched High Fidelity :D

It's one of my favorites. In my Top 5 ;)... actually, haha. It's me and Mr Sensitive on here's movie.

Am i allowed it as well? It's all i ever bang on about *puppy eyes*

Well I can never resist puppy eyes. ;)

People call those bands sellouts because they get more airtime than their favorite bands. I have no problem with Good Charlotte. They are a decent little band. People hate them just because they are "popular," but they make some cool songs.

i see you have a tom delonge quote...can we really trust your opinion when it comes to rubbishy pop-punk?

a side note: the term pop-punk does not really make sense does it.

Is fall out boy belongs to punk before?

i Think They were considered as "sellouts" because of their change their image.
that's what i think only! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

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The quote is from Angels & Airwaves, an alternative band.

thats not a real genre...
and tom delonge is much more famous for being in blink 182 than his extremely poorly received new project

Why not?

becuase if its pop...its not punk
in what way are blink 182 for example punk?
they dont seem to have anything to do with it in terms of music or image
its all a lot closer to pop rock than punk
and its mtv sanctioned which is pretty much the most unpunk thing in the world

It still bares some resemblence to punk music though whether it's genuine or not, 3 chords, catchy choruses, spkiy guitars etc.
You have to remember that Blink 182 and the rest only represent the mainstream side to pop punk, then you have bands like Screeching Weasel and Operation Ivy and, back in the day, the Buzz****s which show a much better side to it all.

i concede you have your point
i still dont think id credit it as punk

Well saying whats punk and what's not is enormously subjective, despite what some people think, it's all down to what your concept of punk is. I was just saying the similarities Blink and the rest have to 'proper' punk bands.

yes i know
i personally dont hear that much similarity in the form
maybe a harmonic simplicity and simple structure
but their topics are usually much more whiny "my girl friend keft me stuff"
to me punk was an era as much as it was a genre
and was supposed to be completely against the prepackaged commercial stuff we now receive via bands such as blink

Fall Out Boy only puts up one minute of their songs for you to hear on Myspace. Even Avril Lavigne lets you hear the full song.

This has to be the most tedious thread in the history of this forum.

"I'm so hardcore because I don't buy my t shirts from this shop blah blah blah"


...repeat to infinity

*cough**cough*hot topic*cough*

I won't even lie, I think Fall Out Boy used to be really good...for being whiners.

Just before? Not now anymore?

A very hot topic, I agree with you ImGettinThatFaSho...

Not related to the topic.:clap:

Well, whether they're sellouts or not doesn't change the fact that they are generic emo/punk bands with not an ounce of creativity in their bodies.

agreed

yea...even the one with sugar we're goin down and such wasnt that bad but there newest album is seriously unlistenable except for the last track

Did you not see these> ""?

I would argue the accusation of being "sell outs". From what I've heard, they were always a Pop Punk band to begin with. Most of these Emo/Punk bands are really nothing more than Power Pop. They put on a Punk front, but it's nothing like the angry, angst riddled stuff of yesteryear.

My favorite Fall Out Boy album is Take This To Your Grave. Anything after that has basically been pop music.

Fall Out Boy, imo, is a sellout band, just becuase of their roots and what they turned into to sell albums. I don't care for those Fall Out Boys.

Good Charlotte on the other hand, is a bit different. They never sold out or changed their style. I don't like them much, but I by no means hate them. They never really sold out though. They kind of toned down who they were to get popular, then went right back to their original style. I guess you could call that selling out, but I'd say it was probably just so that they didn't scare kids off in a time when pop-punk was what you needed to key in on to get big in that kind of way. I saw a documentary on them, and their style of music and their style stye are simply theirs. If anyone wants to call them sellouts or biters, I just compare it to people as individuals. Nobody expects you to like everybody. What if somebody different from a different place gets successful. There's no reason to hate on some rando just because you dont agree with their style of dress or the way their band plays. But, yknow, alot of people do anyways.

All in all, despite the fact that I don't dig their music much, and my girl used to have a madd crush on a dude in their band, I have no hard feelings towards them. Good Charlotte = Whatever
F.O.B. = WACK!

Fall Out Boy, Blink 182 etc. Have never sold their music on some sort of punk rock image.

Uh..... no they don't. People just think that the music that they've been making of recent is ****(i don't actually mind American Idiot) most people who love that album- myself included, judge it as a pop album.

isn't fall out boy emo? there not even punk...

LOL They are not emo. I would call them pop-punk if anything.

They're not pop-punk either.

They're as punk as The Jonas Brothers.

I would call their earlier work pop-punk (Fall Out Boy's Evening Out with Your Girlfriend & Take This to Your Grave). Their last 2 albums have definitely been pop music though.

I wouldn't call any of it pop-punk. Pop-rock at absolute best.

what have they got to do with punk???

and real emo is utter ****
but im sure emo fans would be appalled that this commercialized mall-pop is considered emo

perhaps cause they change styles, just to get famous, even though they made good music before they got commercial...

it's all about the money...