Call them whatever the **** you want....just PLEASE: DO NOT CALL THEM "PUNK". wHY? THEY'RE NEITHER. Neither what? "Punk" nor "good".

AMEN to you!!

I wish Pete Wentz would buy a big knife...and run into it...repeatedly!!!

Not true! Hot Topic sells shirts of The Smiths, and you can't tell me they "sold out"?. Most have, yes. The Smiths? not so much.

very good sir, very good.

They're not really sell outs, unless we're using it in the sense that they're called Punk and want bands to sell out and sound like them. Maybe. I don't know how they're really sell outs. But they're not that good, that's for sure.

who do you know that calls either of these bands sellouts?

"sellouts"? I dont know.

"Extremely ****ty bands"?....(raises hand).

we get it dude you dont like fall out boy or rap...do you have to mention it in every post?
nice triple post by the way n00bzerzzzzz

There really is no reason to call them sellouts, but there is no reason to call them punk either.

and there's no reason this post should be this big a deal.

ok a band that sells out is a band that actually sells out a show. If fall out boy sells out all of their concerts, then they are a sell out. nuff said

not really. isn't selling out bad?
if so, then you're taking something good, like selling all of your concert tickets, and turning it into negativity.

I think selling out is more turning into the mainstream and sort of disapering from their fans. It also might just be an illusion put on by the fans to scare their favorite bands.

probably, bands get big, they get signed to bigger record labels selling out to the man in the process, have littler creative control and want to make more money. I think they have. Selling out shows while still not being sellouts would be like Harry and The Potters selling out a bigass center while doing everything themselves, I.E. DIY which they did with like 1,200 people in attendance or something crazy like that.

well yeah I mean if you sell out a small venue it could just mean that your really famous.

are all famous bands sell outs?

depending on the definition yes

I haven't heard Good Charlotte be called a sell out.

They have gotten more pop-like, though.

I really hate the term "sell-out." A band who went from being punk, playing good music, to being a commercial, poppy sounding band didn't sell out, they just made a choice to appeal to a different demographic. Every band who makes a serious run at it is aiming to reach a certain level of success or popularity, it all depends on how much they are willing to devote to it. It's no more respectful to be playing small shows in local pubs and bars your entire career than it is to be playing massive stadium shows and selling action figures of the band next to the new CD. It's merely a business choice.

Any band that whines about how other bands sell out, how they will "stay true to their roots," and how they don't care about the money, all the while bashing every successful band out there for being a "sellout" are one of two things, idiots, or liars.

They're idiots for not realizing that the music industry is a business. As soon as you put out a record, you are in that business. You might want to just dabble, you might want to make it your full time job, but don't get up on your high horse calling it integrity that you're not successful.

Or they're liars because they really want all that money, fame, and success, but know they can't get it so they bitch and whine.

Yes and no. It's annoying how every band that ends up being well known is labeled a sellout. When a band makes a conscious decision to forgo making music that they like to make music that has a wider appeal in order to make more money, then yes, they are sellouts. No doubt about it. The music industry may be a business, but music is still an art form. Bands that do sell out should be criticized though. What if Picasso, had decided to stop making his abstract work and instead went for a normal approach to painting so he could conceivably make more money?

I've heard you say this like 10x now

A band only sells out when they are no longer musicians, but simply bitches to some corporation's marketing campaign.
Watch the music video for "Thanks for the Memories" by Fall out Boy, the product placement is so out in the open it's kind of pathetic.

But besides that they pretty much suck in every way, just watch a live performance.

Lets just all agree that the best stuff came around in music back in the late 60's through the 70's and forget that a prog-opposing bull**** genre called Punk ever existed in the first place k? :rofl:

/bias mode off

People should get the facts straight from the beginning. Green Day sold out after Dookie, though they weren't exactly talented in the first place. Good Charlotte and Fall Out Boy are not "sell-outs" because the only reason they were formed was to make money in the first place. Pretty simple. :)

The only thing I took away from that but good statement none the less.

Idk, the term "sellout" implies they were good at some point in time.

That can't be said for these bands.

Why do people try and restrict a bands creative boundaries? a band is allowed to change their style, there are green day songs with a very punk sound and other songs which are alt rock. At the end of the day it's just label that has been stuck on a band to categorize it and keep it separate from Brittany Spears.

Are you saying Spears is too good for labels?

To me sellout implies that the band have "sold" their music credit to instead just make money. I.e. abandoning their true style and instead just doing whatever the record company/ producers/ market says to make more dough. I guess if this is what has happened with Good Charlotte and Fall Out Boy then that is why they are labelled sellouts.

fob is fine... not great not terrible... as far as selling out, anyone who wants to make it these days needs some help.... there isnt one band youve heard of who hasnt "sold out" at least once... its part of getting recognized

Sure there are: The Selecter is a great "Ska punk" band.

the group "Madness" was originally(they still might be) a "ska" band, and they were HUGE w/: "Our House" in the '80s.

Also, believe it or not, No Doubt started off as a "ska" band out of cali(LB I think), and became successful as a more pop band. While I think ND is garbage, I have to give it to them for reinventing themselves as a pop band.

And MANY of us wish we hadn't today.

& they probably didn't sell 5 copies of it? their dogs probably bought a copy to cheer them up?

Can't argue with you there. They do indeed SUCK.

The point was none of those bands were as popular as punk bands.


FOB's fist album was pretty good imo, didn't sound much like their stuff now.

Dude they play Louis Vuitton instruments... C'mon!

Not true! The Smiths never sold out! Neither did the Ramones, or the Clash.

they are totally sell-outs - they dont care about the music at all - if you ask me

They obviously do.

how so?

Have you heard anyFall Out Boy? If you can't hear the passion in Stump's vocals then you don't know how to listen to music.

Well, just because one member does doesnt mean that the whole band does, or acts like it.

I think it sounds like he cares about his vocals and how people think about him as an artist, not what he does with the music or what he says with it

And I have seen them in concert more than once, I know who they are.

They are what they are. A pop/rock band that entertains the casual music listener.

I agree. I'm not saying they're not sellouts, I'm saying that they care about their music.

Of course they "care" about the music, it brings money in.
In the end however, they still suck. :D

EOWYG was good...