POP/PUNK is dead

~~MrMagic1234~~ · 08-01-2012, 06:56 PM

Punk is dead. I know there's a lot of things that seem to show this as not being true, but that's because I believe many people view punk as a genre when really it should be viewed as a movement. Like any movement it occured only for a certain period of time and like any good movement it left around remnants after it was gone.

I kinda consider it to have died as a movement around 85-86 with the end of the first wave of Hardcore Punk and the development of thrash metal and crossover thrash and the East Coast hardcore scene growing in prominence and popularity. From there hardcore sort of detatched itself from punk and grew into it's own genre, and even began to have it's own subgenres, such as metalcore, post-hardcore, noise rock, and deathcore. I've met quite a few hardcore kids and scene kids who have absolute zero respect for original punk rock or even older hardcore saying it's "Gay". I'm not saying this is the majority of people who enjoy this music because I am one of the people who do, it's just that to me when attitudes like that have developed anywhere within a scene about it's history, it means that music's time has come.

RIP Punk. You were a poet, prophet, and hero to many

Do you consider punk to be dead? If so why?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 08-01-2012, 06:57 PM

For a dead genre you don't seem to want to talk about much else.

bob. · 08-01-2012, 06:58 PM

what have i started!?

~~MrMagic1234~~ · 08-01-2012, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger ?

For a dead genre you don't seem to want to talk about much else.

What's your point?

~~MrMagic1234~~ · 08-01-2012, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bob.

what have i started!?

wat?

Justthefacts · 08-01-2012, 10:42 PM

It was a great movement while it lasted.

joy_circumcision · 08-01-2012, 10:53 PM

Why did punk die with the hardcore movement? You explicitly acknowledge deathcore, post-hardcore (I would add emo/screamo and others would throw some on, too, I'm sure) so why do these evolutions count less than hardcore? Your subjective taste? That's cool. Then maybe the punk sound that you enjoy is dead. I can see that. The revivals are sorta based around post-punk and sorta silly in general, so that's fair.

But punk is dead discussions are just like rock is dead discussions - yeah, we're not gonna get a bunch of hippies smoking dope and playing sitars on a national or global scale again anytime soon, but that's because the music has evolved with the times.

And why is respect for the old acts the qualifier for good punk? I mean, yeah, for me, a qualifier for good punk is not being a homophobe, so that "gay" used as slur comment is displeasing, but I thought punk has always been about kicking the asses of the old vanguard and making your own. I might not like the sound of the new guys either, but to say that the screamo movement to name just one is not a strong countercultural movement based in the basic ideals (if not the sound) of punk rock is just false in my eyes.

Neapolitan · 08-01-2012, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Slow Groove

It was a great movement while it lasted.

Which one the 70's UK Punk Rock, 80's American Hardcore Punk or the 90's Green Day/Sum 41 movement?

~~MrMagic1234~~ · 08-02-2012, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by joy_circumcision

Why did punk die with the hardcore movement? You explicitly acknowledge deathcore, post-hardcore (I would add emo/screamo and others would throw some on, too, I'm sure) so why do these evolutions count less than hardcore? Your subjective taste? That's cool. Then maybe the punk sound that you enjoy is dead. I can see that. The revivals are sorta based around post-punk and sorta silly in general, so that's fair.

But punk is dead discussions are just like rock is dead discussions - yeah, we're not gonna get a bunch of hippies smoking dope and playing sitars on a national or global scale again anytime soon, but that's because the music has evolved with the times.

And why is respect for the old acts the qualifier for good punk? I mean, yeah, for me, a qualifier for good punk is not being a homophobe, so that "gay" used as slur comment is displeasing, but I thought punk has always been about kicking the asses of the old vanguard and making your own. I might not like the sound of the new guys either, but to say that the screamo movement to name just one is not a strong countercultural movement based in the basic ideals (if no
t the sound) of punk rock is just false in my eyes.

You're putting quite a bit of words in my mouth don't you think? I never said having respect for old acts was a qualifier for good punk. What I was saying was, is that these kids have no respect for PUNK even though they wouldn't have their ****ty subgenres which are NOT PUNK without it. It's like people who dig Lil Wayne and Drake but think Run DMC are corny because they're old. Also, yeah punk EVOLVED into hardcore and the infinite subgenres that's my point. Whenever a single cellular organism evolves into a multicellular organism, it DOES become less of a single cellular organism because it's not a single cellular organism anymore. That's just common sense.

So your argument doesn't really hold any water bro. As a matter of fact you kind of just stated the same thing I did.

~~MrMagic1234~~ · 08-02-2012, 01:20 AM

And just by the way, I don't hate hardcore or it's subgenres, hell, I even dig a lot of beatdown and deathcore stuff even though those are frowned upon by a lot of people who dig oldschool hardcore and punk. So this isn't me acting like an old fart towards more recent evolutions of punk, this is me just stating an observation I've made that punk isn't a GENRE it WAS a MOVEMENT and it died

08-01-2012, 06:56 PM	#41 (permalink)
~~MrMagic1234~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 20	Punk IS Dead Punk is dead. I know there's a lot of things that seem to show this as not being true, but that's because I believe many people view punk as a genre when really it should be viewed as a movement. Like any movement it occured only for a certain period of time and like any good movement it left around remnants after it was gone. I kinda consider it to have died as a movement around 85-86 with the end of the first wave of Hardcore Punk and the development of thrash metal and crossover thrash and the East Coast hardcore scene growing in prominence and popularity. From there hardcore sort of detatched itself from punk and grew into it's own genre, and even began to have it's own subgenres, such as metalcore, post-hardcore, noise rock, and deathcore. I've met quite a few hardcore kids and scene kids who have absolute zero respect for original punk rock or even older hardcore saying it's "Gay". I'm not saying this is the majority of people who enjoy this music because I am one of the people who do, it's just that to me when attitudes like that have developed anywhere within a scene about it's history, it means that music's time has come. RIP Punk. You were a poet, prophet, and hero to many Do you consider punk to be dead? If so why?

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08-01-2012, 10:53 PM	#47 (permalink)
joy_circumcision Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 126	Why did punk die with the hardcore movement? You explicitly acknowledge deathcore, post-hardcore (I would add emo/screamo and others would throw some on, too, I'm sure) so why do these evolutions count less than hardcore? Your subjective taste? That's cool. Then maybe the punk sound that you enjoy is dead. I can see that. The revivals are sorta based around post-punk and sorta silly in general, so that's fair. But punk is dead discussions are just like rock is dead discussions - yeah, we're not gonna get a bunch of hippies smoking dope and playing sitars on a national or global scale again anytime soon, but that's because the music has evolved with the times. And why is respect for the old acts the qualifier for good punk? I mean, yeah, for me, a qualifier for good punk is not being a homophobe, so that "gay" used as slur comment is displeasing, but I thought punk has always been about kicking the asses of the old vanguard and making your own. I might not like the sound of the new guys either, but to say that the screamo movement to name just one is not a strong countercultural movement based in the basic ideals (if not the sound) of punk rock is just false in my eyes. __________________ My Music Journal My RYM (My Pride and Joy)

08-01-2012, 10:42 PM	#46 (permalink)
Justthefacts President spic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Waxahatchee Posts: 4,861	It was a great movement while it lasted.

08-02-2012, 01:20 AM	#50 (permalink)
~~MrMagic1234~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 20	And just by the way, I don't hate hardcore or it's subgenres, hell, I even dig a lot of beatdown and deathcore stuff even though those are frowned upon by a lot of people who dig oldschool hardcore and punk. So this isn't me acting like an old fart towards more recent evolutions of punk, this is me just stating an observation I've made that punk isn't a GENRE it WAS a MOVEMENT and it died