Best Punk album of all time?

BastardofYoung · 01-12-2013, 10:51 AM

Best, I have no idea.... but here are some of my recent addictions.

The fun factor on this album is still so high for me. I re-listened to it at work, and then a few more times.... from start to finish, I love this album so much. Josh Freese and Warren Fitzgerald = a power team. 2 top tier contenders for my list of best in the game. Especially Josh Freese, who is one of my favorite drummers.

I love this one with him... his running man thing is amazing to me. My first love was drums, but I never got a kit... so I always pay attention to them..:

Another album, that like the last, is just a super fun listen. Something about it just gives me the warm fuzzies. Everyone should give this album a spin if they like their punk fun and bubbly.

and of course, this...

If it doesn't make ya smile, you suck!

Also listened to:

Screeching Weasel - Screeching Weasel (meh, it is no BoogadaBoogadaBoogada)
NOFX - Self Entitled (I am still hooked on "72 Hookers")
The Damned - Machine Gun Etiquette (amazing album as well)

xXAngelFireXx · 01-12-2013, 03:41 PM

In retrospect, those artists are now protopunk though. They would have been considered punk, because of their political agendas, but because it's 2013, all the various genres that influenced the first real punk movement are too diverse to be lumped in with punk. Captain beefheart is arguably proto-punk, and shares little to nothing in common with a band like The Clash. Also, seeing as it's a coined term, it's not really fair to even use it as a genre tag outside of it's historical context.

Forward To Death · 01-12-2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rjinn

Wow, you're completely blowing what I said out of proportion.

Yes I did say that a long while ago, your point?

Is that your opinion now? Because it's pretty fitting for someone who's against the nitpickery going on here. It's not a point, it's an illustration of a point that's being made.

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The Stooges are quite often regarded as the first punk band. Patti Smith partly activated the New York punk movement. I'm only passing on what I've researched. Whether you don't think so, that's your reasons. I personally don't think TH are punk but they've been held to the label.

Or maybe they just sound like garage rock/glam rock, but it's common to associate them with punk. Tbh, what's the difference between NYD and Kiss in terms of sound? Not much, so I'd stick with glam rock. As for the Stooges, I jist don't hear what's so punk, rather than just garage rock. They just sound like a raw heavy garage rock band with poor production. No way I'd associate them with punk if I didn't see it or hear it before.

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So I've started discussing the fine difference between certain protopunk and punk bands and all of a sudden we should merge entire music genres?

It was sarcasm to illustrate the point that you're defining everything too loosely, and tbh if that's what you really think, that people shouldn't be nitpicking over genre classification, then you should be in favor of merging genres. Green Day's punk now, not pop punk. All that emo crap, that's punk now too.

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Ok well let me be a little bit more observant. Protopunk, post-punk, art unk, punk blues, pop punk, hardcore punk, gothic-punk, crust punk, Christian punk, glam punk, street punk.

But do you know which bands fit into which category? See, that's being observant.

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I didn't mean it as an offence, but yes, how else would you deem an opinion?

I just think you should either tell us why those artists are closer to punk, why it's nitpicky to call them proto-punk instead, etc. If for no other reason, for the sake of discussion.

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Cool. Sometimes The Stooges are considered garage punk and the NYD glam punk which I think is pretty fitting, but it's not a big deal to me.

It's not that big of a thing for me either, but I definitely don't see any of those bands as punk bands, and I've stated why I think that. Garage punk/glam punk isn't too far off, and I would have to agree that's what they sound like, just not actual punk.

Forward To Death · 01-12-2013, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Television and the Ramones started out at the same time, in the same place, playing in the SAME CLUB. Why on earth should you need to call one punk and one proto-punk?

You're right, it's a media created catch word, like "grunge", with it's own made up fashion sense and group of mindless followers. Separating bands that were contemporaries and that played the same places and that were in the same scene and that evolved on similar musical lines into different musical categories is just silly.

When and where they started isn't even going to factor in. Television just doesn't sound like a punk band to me. I don't know what I'd classify them as, but it doesn't sound like punk. Post-punk pre-dates punk?

And punk is nothing like grunge. There are so many punk sub-genres, and grunge was much more popular than punk, it broke into our pop radio formats and eventually just died. Punk is as alive as it ever was, and is pretty legit as a genre.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-12-2013, 05:03 PM

Television are nothing more than an art rock band really.
If you're going to call them punk you may as well call Roxy Music & Bowie punk too.

The fact is punk started with the Sex Pistols, you can argue influence, you can name 100 bands that sound 'punk rock like' that came before them. The fact is they were what kicked the scene off and made it known and if it hadn't been for them most of the stuff that came before wouldn't be half as important or known as it is now.

Forward To Death · 01-12-2013, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

Television are nothing more than an art rock band really.
If you're going to call them punk you may as well call Roxy Music & Bowie punk too.

The fact is punk started with the Sex Pistols, you can argue influence, you can name 100 bands that sound 'punk rock like' that came before them. The fact is they were what kicked the scene off and made it known and if it hadn't been for them most of the stuff that came before wouldn't be half as important or known as it is now.

You hit the nail right on the head.

Surell · 01-13-2013, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

Punk is not just music, not that those bands sound very punk anyways, but it's also an image that none of those bands had.

Fonzie had a leather jacket.

BastardofYoung · 01-13-2013, 09:32 PM

blah blah blah.... can't we all just give each other hand jobs behind the dumpster and call that punk?

**Janszoon** · 01-13-2013, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

blah blah blah.... can't we all just give each other hand jobs behind the dumpster and call that punk?

Done and done.

BastardofYoung · 01-13-2013, 09:42 PM

Thanks. Looks as though this is just going to be a party of 2. You and me.

01-12-2013, 10:51 AM	#271 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	Best, I have no idea.... but here are some of my recent addictions. The fun factor on this album is still so high for me. I re-listened to it at work, and then a few more times.... from start to finish, I love this album so much. Josh Freese and Warren Fitzgerald = a power team. 2 top tier contenders for my list of best in the game. Especially Josh Freese, who is one of my favorite drummers. I love this one with him... his running man thing is amazing to me. My first love was drums, but I never got a kit... so I always pay attention to them..: Another album, that like the last, is just a super fun listen. Something about it just gives me the warm fuzzies. Everyone should give this album a spin if they like their punk fun and bubbly. and of course, this... If it doesn't make ya smile, you suck! Also listened to: Screeching Weasel - Screeching Weasel (meh, it is no BoogadaBoogadaBoogada) NOFX - Self Entitled (I am still hooked on "72 Hookers") The Damned - Machine Gun Etiquette (amazing album as well) __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

01-12-2013, 03:41 PM	#272 (permalink)
xXAngelFireXx Groupie Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 12	In retrospect, those artists are now protopunk though. They would have been considered punk, because of their political agendas, but because it's 2013, all the various genres that influenced the first real punk movement are too diverse to be lumped in with punk. Captain beefheart is arguably proto-punk, and shares little to nothing in common with a band like The Clash. Also, seeing as it's a coined term, it's not really fair to even use it as a genre tag outside of it's historical context. __________________ (¬‿¬)

01-12-2013, 05:03 PM	#275 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Television are nothing more than an art rock band really. If you're going to call them punk you may as well call Roxy Music & Bowie punk too. The fact is punk started with the Sex Pistols, you can argue influence, you can name 100 bands that sound 'punk rock like' that came before them. The fact is they were what kicked the scene off and made it known and if it hadn't been for them most of the stuff that came before wouldn't be half as important or known as it is now. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

01-13-2013, 09:32 PM	#278 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	blah blah blah.... can't we all just give each other hand jobs behind the dumpster and call that punk? __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

01-13-2013, 09:42 PM	#280 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	Thanks. Looks as though this is just going to be a party of 2. You and me. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.