As I see it, The Ramones, and (later) the Pistols, were among the first bands to be referred to as Punk rock groups. As already stated, the band with Johnny Ramone was aroiund a few years before the Johnny Rotten group.

Both Ramones and Pistols were influenced by other bands that more or less fit the mold of Punk rock music, but their precursors were not (and are still not) specifically called Punk rock groups.

It doesn't matter - let the sub-par bands fight it out too see whether it came from England or the US - because the best band came from Scotland.

"I always thought a punk was someone who took it up the ass."—William S. Burroughs

that is exactly what a punk is.....actually i seem to remember a documentary about CBGB's where an editor of "punk" magazine was in jail in upstate new york and was freaking out about the other prisoners finding out that he was involved in a mag called "punk"

so seriously

is it just me that really does not understand why people think The Velvet Underground have anything to do with punk rock?

i mean i love VU...and i love punk music (of all types....or at least most)...but i do not see the connection....not at least style wise

i'm so bored with the U.S.A.

Maybe because VU were credited with inspiring lots of people to start bands of their own and I think this gets mixed up with the garage band craze of the 1960's, which was going full force a few years before VU existed, and which definitely had a huge influence on the punk ethos.

If I had to pick a Grand daddy of Punk bands from that particular era, I would go with the Monks and Black Monk Time. That was a band/abum that really did inspire a lot of garage bands to get started and I think the Punk attitude is very prevalent in that music.

I'm not claiming this is where punk started, just that this was a very important chapter in the overall evolution of punk and well worth investigating for interested individuals. Beware though. 60's garage rock is very greasy and highly addictive!!! :bowdown:

How many times do we have to endure this sad old claim?
Give the baby it's dummy and close this thread!

One hundred fifty-eight. We're almost there.

I say forget the debate.

Now for a little Music Writer History...

The words Punk Rock were used by Lenny Kaye for the sleeve notes of the original Nuggets collection back in 1972, a collection of the classic Garage Punk of the 60's, released on Elektra.

Critic Dave Marsh also used it in 1971 in a Creem Magazine article (I think Lester Bangs used it too).

Long before the Pistols, and a little before The Ramones entered the studio and The Stooges unleashed some RAW POWER.

Outside of the well-known prison term, Punk meant in the straight world "worthless to society," "rebellious to authority," "loud and annoying," and, yes, "outside of society."

The sounds of the angry youth of The Late 60's and Early 70's seen as outsiders and anti-establishment around the world set the stage for what is known as Punk.
Back when it was Rock and Roll with extra attitude.

Yeah, the Politics were important by the Late 70's, although you could say that The MC5 built part of the base back through '68-70, but it was the aggression and power that helped make the message effective.
US Garage Punk and The UK Mod scenes go together for the start of it all.

Forget this US/UK debate. It's overused and NEVER gets anywhere.
Punk: It's the voice of angry people around the world. Forget who was first and enjoy.

Charlie Parker took a crap back in 1946 and said man thats punk rock. True story.