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butthead aka 216

That's an interesting article and although i think the author is a little harsh, i do think he is right with a lot of things.

i always thought the punk rock style/attitude was pesudo-edgy garbage. i loathe people who think its lame to make money, or 'conform' to social norms, or basically do anything productive. there's a tendency for all people i think to hold the glory days in a bit of an exaggerated and false regard as better than what it realistically was and i think a lot of those punk rockers do that to the extreme. i still see some of them around but dwindling in numbers making me wonder if they got tired of their own bull**** and wised up or they literally died off. in a way i view current hipsters and their indie music as the new punkers with their punk rock albeit in a different way.

Im not sure why anyone feels like they have to follow certain unwritten lifestyle guidelines based on the music they listen to either. i think with punk rock you had a lot of people in that lifestyle at the beginning who didnt necessarily have the means to live any other way so they chastised people who were more 'successful' than themselves - the guys wearing a suit and tie everyday and not driving beat up crapwagons. Maybe it came out of secret jealous or a need to find a niche or whatever.

Urban Hat€monger ?

And hows that any different to what the Rolling Stones were doing in 1968?
And like I said you can post as many youtube videos as you like, it changes nothing.

Again you're falling into the trap of finding something that sounds like punk and saying 'Hey, Look it's punk' from a time when it didn't exist. If it wasn't for what happened in London you wouldn't even be calling it punk.

You mean those bands that had been around since the early 70s that did nothing other than play in one club that flocked over to the UK in 1976 as soon as the Sex Pistols became popular?

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Dr_Rez

If it sounds like punk who cares if the label wasnt around at the time...? The first rock and roll was still rock n roll even though the term hadnt been made yet. Same with every other genre.

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Urban Hat€monger ?

But you have to draw the line somewhere otherwise we'd be saying electronica was started in the stone age.

Like I said before punk didn't just suddenly exist, it evolved. And it became punk in London in 1976. Before that point it's still evolving.

Think of it like this, Your are counted as a person from when you came out of your mother. Not from the moment you were created in your Daddy's nutsack.

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Unknown Soldier

But they weren't playing punk, they were just playing a combination of sounds that would go onto characterize punk, for this reason these bands quite often get labelled proto-punk. These bands also get called psychedelic rock and experimental rock in the case of Velvet Underground and hard rock or glam rock in the case of the NYD, which proves the point that these bands were a combination of different musical genres, that would influence punk without ever being punk itself.

A lot of people don't always realize that punk was much more than just a sound and its image was also vital, and if you combine these two aspects together it equals London 1976. The only rival that London has is New York 1976 for the creation of punk.

People say the same thing about most places.

This is like saying grunge started with Black Sabbath, just because they were one of the biggest influences on the genre when it properly formed many years later around the Seattle area. It's like saying hair metal started with Kiss and the New York Dolls, because they were two of the biggest influences on the genre in the 1980s. It's like saying thrash metal started with Diamond Head because they were one of the biggest influences on Metallica and the examples could go on and on..............

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Newkie

Now thats Punk Rock dude WoeeeeeeeeeW.

I don't get it though I admit my roots ignorance but if you go back to 68 and say "this sounds like metal" then why not go to the kinks in 64 and say the same thing? Or maybe if they had sped up Dead End Street a bit to go with the slightly earlier style but kept the lyrics, it would have been a punk anthem?

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Unknown Soldier

Exactly where does it end, a line has to be drawn up somewhere.

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Lizzilee

Sounds like my ex boyfriend........

but........It's not my cup of tea but served its purpose in the music business.....

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The Batlord

Nah. You had the Ramones sure, but other than that it was just an art rock scene. There may have been bands that had some punk rock sensibilities, but I think that's more down to there being a sort of underground, art rock/alternative rock/whatever-you-want-to-call-it zeitgeist that existed in many places all over the world, from New York to Britain to Cleveland to Australia and god knows where. True, the London and the New York scenes had some links, but I think that was just because they both had dedicated fanzines that got the word out.

I mean, you wouldn't call Patti Smith or Television or Blondie punk rock would you? And anyone who calls the Heartbreakers or the Voidoids punk is fooling themselves. The Heartbreakers just sounded like the New York Dolls Mk II and the Voidoids were just pub rock.

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