Unknown Soldier

As Nurse Duckett said, you fall for things hook, line and sinker, and these online Brits must've seen you coming (or in this case heard your keystrokes) a mile off, they were just wagging your tail that's all.

Nobody in the UK and into music, believes Britain invented every kind of genre at all, just to clear that up.

Anybody can edit on Wiki, even you.

.... and that's exactly what the Dolls were actually doing. They weren't very original in terms of music at all, as they just reworked old Stones and rock n roll riffs into their sound and then just camped and sleazed the whole thing up.

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Lord Larehip

I'm damned sick and tired of you damned Peruvians who think you invented everything. You invented an ancient astronaut industry and that's it. Now screw off!

Gavin B.

I lived in both the United States and Great Britain and I think Brits are far more knowledgeable about music than Americans. The average Brit knows more about American music like jazz, blues, rhythm & blues and rock & roll than most Americans. There's also a keen awareness of international music in Great Britain. Most Americans don't know a thing about reggae music beyond Bob Marley, Peter Tosh and maybe UB 40.

My theory is that British children grow up in a society where music is appreciated and they develop a interest in music when they're young. American public schools offer very little education in the fine arts and especially music appreciation.

There is also a longstanding tradition of youth cultural movements in Great Britain that dates back to the Mods, the Rockers and the Teddy Boys of the early Sixties. All of those British youth culture movements are based on a common love of music and fashion.

Six Examples of British Youth Culture Movements


Teddy Boys


Mods


Skinheads


Punks


Goths


Ravers

There are no equivalent youth movements in the United States. American kids simply imitate the latest youth culture movements in Great Britain. Even the hippie movement in the Sixties was an imitation of the psychedelic movement in London.

Most American kids develop their musical ideas based on what is spoon fed to them on television shows on MTV and reality show competitions like American Idol and The Voice.

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Dr_Rez

Way to generalize a country that has over 300 million people and then compare it to one with 63 million. I would like to see the polling data on this. You ran into maybe a few thousand people maybe a few hundred you talked to about music in any depth, and that is your judgement for the entire country?

People like to say how stupid America is but we just have more people so we have more stupid people. Say half your country is filled with stupid people thats about 30 million....well here thats 150 million+ making our pool a whole lot bigger. We are always compared to Europeon countries for a multitude of things but in reality we are not that similar being we are like 5 times the size.

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I imagine this guy is just taking the piss as well just to stir Lord Larehip or others a bit more.

To be honest this

Is completely the same for UK kids nowadays as well. The youth movements based around music are all but dead and, in my area at least, what was once a vibrant music scene has crumbled into, well, **** all.

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Lord Larehip

I don''t know if that's particularly true about British kids. I'll agree with you about American kids, though. Britain does have an Eddie Cochran Society and most Americans have completely forgotten him so you might have something but I don't know if it's as true about today's British kids as opposed to British kids in the past.

I am a fan of George Formby but I've run into younger Brits who don't know who he is. They might learn later on though. Britain, as a whole, seems to remember George Formby. In America, our big uke heroes were Cliff Edwards (Ukulele Ike) and Roy Smeck. Amazing musicians and singers. America has utterly, completely forgotten them--completely. This is odd considering that Edwards was cast as Jiminy Cricket in Disney's Pinocchio and sang "When You Wish Upon a Star"--one of the most famous songs of the 20th century. Formby never had a hit like that and still the Brits remember him.

That might have been true at one time. I was in Britain a couple of years ago and I did not notice any difference between what Brits listened to and what Americans listened to. It sucks ass on both side of the Atlantic

That appears to be true but I don't know how much better Britain is today. Maybe the Brits used to but so did Americans at one time. We are pretty ignorant today though, I can't deny it.

Well, first of all, Americans have always had gangs that wore a uniform. The Bowery Boys of the mid-19th century in New York wore really dapper clothing in spite of being murderers and rapists--WAY worse than the Teds ever were. Teds also wore black leather and American kids have been doing that forever. Then there were the zoot suits during the 30s and 40s--gorgeous pinstripe suits with a broad-brimmed fedora hat, fancy tie, wing tip two-tone shoes, a long watch chain. Like the Teds, the suits were made to use up as much material as possible (as a way of thumbing their noses at the rest of Americans who were rationing during the war out of patriotism). The coats were boxed just like the Teds' drapes. And this was a decade or more BEFORE the Teds existed.

I love zoot suits. I habitually wear a fine fedora everywhere I go. I don't dress up though unless I'm playing a gig somewhere and then I dress to the nines. Growing up, I hated platform shoes which I thought looked stupid and refused to buy any. I felt vindicated when the platforms moved right into disco and the rockers stopped wearing them. I never really dressed "punk." Never cared to. I went to shows in jeans and t-****. But I was not going to wear a mohawk--period--or get any piercings or any of that s-hit. I did wear docs in case someone stepped on my foot at the mosh pit but wore sneakers on the street. Still wear them. Can't stand rap "fashion". Guys walking around with their skivvy-covered butts hanging out is so retarded I don't have the words to describe how retarded it is.

But we do have punks and skins and metalheads and all that b-ull**** over here too. As well as goths and psychobilly people and god knows what else. I'm pretty out of touch with youth movements these days. And I don't think it has squat to do with musical knowledge.

Lord Larehip

Damn the Peruvians! Full speed ahead!!

Necromancer

I personally think The Who were one of the first to bring certain elements of punk rock to the masses more so than any other band or artist ever did. If I had to pick one of the first main innovators of punk rock, it would be the Who - My Generation (1965). Moon, Townshend, Daltrey, & Entwistle.

Lord Larehip

I thought about "Substitute" a couple of days ago. The thing is, if you're looking for punk forerunners--there you go. Early stuff like that by groups that were NOT punk but who did certain songs that inspired a new generation to develop into punks. But the New York Dolls, the Ramones, the Stooges, MC5, the Voidoids were punk. No other label can be convincingly applied. I mean, come on:

Urban Hat€monger ?

That album came out a full year after punk broke in the UK.
Nothing more than New York art rock jumping on a bandwagon.

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