Originally Posted by grindy

Basically you're David Hasselhoff.

Originally Posted by grindy

Basically you're David Hasselhoff.

Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

You mean you didn't know punk was dada?? You've heard of the band Cabaret Voltaire, right? You know what that is? It was a gallery where dada anti-art was first exhibited to the public in Zurich 1916. One of the founders, Marcel Janco, explained, “At the Cabaret Voltaire, we began by shocking common sense, public opinion, education, institutions, museums, good taste, in short, the whole prevailing order.” That's punk, man! The word "dada" is meaningless but is also Romanian for "yeah yeah" as in our "yeah whatever."

But the idea that dada is essentially meaningless or random is quite fitting for Dada itself as it rejected art with deeper meanings and rejected such concepts as a “masterpiece.” Dada art was deliberately superficial. What you saw was what you got. Whatever meaning you got from it was your interpretation alone. Another interpretation was just as valid. And if you got no meaning from it, that was just as valid as any meaning one found. Dada artists never tried to explain their pieces and often because they couldn’t, it was often randomly generated. While traditional art laughs at the child who paints a random image and, when asked it is, replies, “I won’t know until I’m done with it,” Dada embraced this attitude as the very core its philosophy and even adding, “And I probably still won’t know.”

People don't think very much about how important art is in political philosophy and discourse--not to mention war. There's a reason dada was embraced among the anarchists but despised by the Nazis. Max Ernst was even imprisoned by the Nazis for his art. The Nazi vision for Europe and the world was not political but aesthetic, artistic. They didn't view Jews so much as a political danger as they did vermin, an infestation, in need of liquidation for the good of all. They had no place in Hitler's perfectly ordered vision.

Look at Nazi art and buildings. Always neat, clean, orderly. Always perfect specimens of Aryan superiority. All the buildings Albert Speer designed for Hitler were grand, majestic, lots of marble and tall, sturdy columns with floors so clean and uncluttered they looked uninhabited. There was a place for everything and everything was in its place. And if you didn't fit in--Jew, Gypsy, non-white, retarded, homosexual, disabled, even old--the only place for you was a mass grave.

What did the Nazis use to gas inmates? Zyklon B, a prussic acid, used for what? As insecticide. Again, they were killing vermin. No political justification needed. There was simply no place for them in the Third Reich. They were not part of Hitler's aesthetics.

In 1937, the Nazis removed all dada art from Germany. Here, they list what they called entartete kunst or degenerate art and one can read "dada" and "Ernst." Another name listed is George Grosz, another big dadaist.
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Grosz depicted his fellow Germans as cruel, unfeeling, unthinking automatons driven only by greed and lust:

Ernst depicted "The Angel of Hearth and Home" as it danced across the barren European landscape bearing a striking resemblance to a swastika:


Dada was mostly anti-war and anti-politics, largely atheistic and anarchistic. Likewise were the punkers. One need only listen to DRI or Discharge (before the horrible "Grave New World") for proof. And who became the punks' biggest enemy? The Nazi skins. Remarkable how history repeats itself.

While punk might be over, the dada spirit lives on. Wherever there are conservatives and liberals--both cowards and hypocrites full of hate and cut from the exact same cloth--there will be war. And war there is war, there will be dada to rebel against it.

“…a phenomenon bursting forth in the midst of the postwar economic and moral crisis, a savior, a monster, which would lay waste to everything in its path. [It was] a systematic work of destruction and demoralization...In the end it became nothing but an act of sacrilege.”

Ah but isn't that how it always goes?


Anti was founded by Gary Kail who also founded a punk-noise unit called Zurich 1916.

Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

We're talking about Muslims. You can't expect logical thinking from these people. Who will they gas next? That's exactly the problem--who the f-uck knows??

You can't attribute logical motives into the heads of people who are encouraged if not mandated to think irrationally at least I sure wouldn't recommend it.

Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

That's other countries. America is a scam. That's all it is. Nothing is implemented unless some fatcat at the top is making big money off it. Single payer works in the military because people in the military are driven by duty not money. Nobody who wants to make money joins the military. In the civilian world, money is all there is. If it doesn't make somebody some money, it's not going to happen. A civilian single payer system in America is just a scam. Underneath, it's the same old s-hit going on--the rich getting richer.

Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Anyone else a fan of Lord Larehips rather rambling & contradictory statements on war?


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(^^^ in that thread Lord Larehip strikes an exceptionally hawkish, pro-war stance)

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....srsly guise

Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

How do you know what the Ramones were influenced by? Especially if they were from New York, which is home to about every art movement since Paris lost the title of world's art capital. And yes, that's where many of the dadaists went when the Nazis took over. That's where abstract expressionism was born--from dadaists--and it gave birth to political art movements and organizations such as Up Against the Wall Motherf-uckers who were from New York and they were some truly radical bastards--not the nicest people in the world either (picture Hell's Angels as a bunch of street-artists)--but their influence in the counter-culture is inestimable. Now, you're in a punk band playing all the cool clubs in New York, you're going to meet up with some wild, crazy people. I sure did playing in and around Detroit but then this area is the home of the SDS and similar political groups that, again, had a major impact on the counter-culture. I wouldn't assume the Ramones didn't meet people like that, I could almost guarantee they did. I'm sure if I did, they did. Who knows what all influenced them?

Originally Posted by WhateverDude

Laser beams, psychedelic hats, and for some reason kittens. Surrel reminds me of kittens.

Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle

Queensryche - Continuing to make albums and tour the world.
Kenny G - 25th highest selling artist in America
Nevermore - After releasing a slew of nice and successful 2000's albums, went on hiatus in 2011, but only after touring heavily with great success.
Burning Witch - I guess you got me here, they were only around for 3 years, but members went on to form Sunn O))) and Khanate, 2 highly revered bands in the metal community.
Carissa's Wierd - After influencing countless bands and sparking more interest in a musical movement, broke up in 2003. Members formed Band of Horses.
Hovercraft - Cited as one of the most abrasive, non-commercial sounding bands ever to receive major label distribution for its albums. The group was largely well respected and well received by critics and developed a cult following.
Land - Probably the only band I mentioned that hasn't had a huge, longstanding effect on music. Oh well, they made some great stuff right at the same time grunge was going strong, and many people enjoyed it.
The Mentors - do you not know the Mentors?
Sanctuary - Jeff Loomis was in the band, so they spawned the aforementioned Nevermore, highly influential and well regarded in the thrash scene.

Only an idiot would tell you going whateverthe****x platinum makes success.

Originally Posted by Surell

It is true that they may have met and it is possible that they could have got along, but a full on embrace from a bunch of kids whose only interests were sniffing glue, ****ing, and three chord progressions they could hardly play who were also extremely skeptical of people looking to tell them how things should be, so how much they consciously allowed influence to permeate. Also, I would think abstract expressionism would go back to cubism from around the first world war, but maybe that's nitpicking.

Also, the pop isn't too hard to hear in the Ramones' songwriting, but a list of influences are listed on their Wikipedia.

Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

I don't most of the bands you're talking about and no one else does either. And when told we have to play grunge to get hired, it would not have been well-received to offer to play Queensryche instead--whom I never listen to on top of it.

As for the Mentors, I not only saw them, I KNEW El Duce who is dead now in case you didn't know. He's been dead for some time.

Originally Posted by Oriphiel

Hmm, what's this in my pocket?

*epic guitar solo blasts into my face*

DAMN IT MONDO

Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

You act like you personally knew this guys. Did you?

Originally Posted by WhateverDude

Laser beams, psychedelic hats, and for some reason kittens. Surrel reminds me of kittens.