No punk today

The Batlord · 10-11-2013, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

Who is Thurston Moore?

Guitarist for Sonic Youth.

~~Lord Larehip~~ · 10-11-2013, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus

To LL, maybe this will help.

You're the one who wants to argue. Nobody forcing you to be here on my thread.

Paul Smeenus · 10-11-2013, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

Maybe he is (never heard of him) but does that mean Cobain is by extension?

This proves that your knowledge of what happened here in Seattle in the late '80's/early '90's is an inch deep. He's very important in the Seattle rock scene from that era.

Cobain did what he did. No he wasn't the most proficient guitarist in this town but he was a quality songwriter. Bleach was a great album. I never need to listen to Nevermind again.

So, that also raises the other side of the question. If, as you say and for the question of argument, Cobain was a poor guitarist, does that mean Jerry Cantrell can't play? Kim Thayil?

But more to the point, does it always have to be about proficiency? Neil Young is technically a very weak guitarist but made some very great music IMO. Yngwie Malmsteen could play standing on his head but I'd rather put a coarse wire brush bit in a high speed drill and torque out my ears than listen to a minute of his horrid music.

And Seattle wasn't all about grunge in those days, that's what David Geffin and Rolling Stone and those clowns turned it in to. Forced Entry headlined all the clubs here playing some of the greatest thrash the genre has ever known, all the big names were in awe of those guys, but they never made it out of Seattle. Same with My Sister's Machine.

And finally

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Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

It's not grunge I hate so much as the idiotic reaction to it. A-ssholes acted like they'd never heard music in their lives. They couldn't get enough of it and it put a lot of bands out of work that had been doing well.

Yeah, Hair Metal. I'm really really sorry you never got to hear Open Up and say "Ahh!" part 2. I'm sure everyone else mourns Warrant and Cinderella and Firehouse and Britny Fox as much as you do, but maybe it was just time to move on, ya think?

You're entitled to your opinion, but maybe you might consider that everyone else is too.

~~Lord Larehip~~ · 10-11-2013, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus

This proves that your knowledge of what happened here in Seattle in the late '80's/early '90's is an inch deep. He's very important in the Seattle rock scene from that era.

When did I claim to be an authority on the Seattle scene? I know nothing of Seattle. Never been there. I just don't like the music. And if I was an authority on Seattle, I still wouldn't like the music. If you don't like something, you don't like it. It's a visceral reaction you have no control over.

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Cobain did what he did. No he wasn't the most proficient guitarist in this town but he was a quality songwriter. Bleach was a great album. I never need to listen to Nevermind again.

I'm sure he did write a good song or two but I thought he was terribly overrated. If it hadn't been for MTV, no one would have cared about Nirvana.

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So, that also raises the other side of the question. If, as you say and for the question of argument, Cobain was a poor guitarist, does that mean Jerry Cantrell can't play? Kim Thayil?

I don't know who they are so I can't comment. I like Grag Gihn (Black Flag) didn't play leads much but you knew he was good enough to. And I like his songs way more than Cobain's.

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But more to the point, does it always have to be about proficiency? Neil Young is technically a very weak guitarist but made some very great music IMO.

Neil Young is a very good guitarist. He just doesn't get fancy. He's like Gihn in that regard.

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Yngwie Malmsteen could play standing on his head but I'd rather put a coarse wire brush bit in a high speed drill and torque out my ears than listen to a minute of his horrid music.

Malmsteen is a show-off. That doesn't impress me. My overall favorite guitarist is Robert Fripp. THAT is a guitar player. Another is Fred Frith who doesn't play fancy but is incredibly creative as a guitarist but also plays superb violin, excellent bass (he's bassist for Naked City), piano, vibes, mando, you name it. Proficiency isn't everything but it counts for a lot.

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And Seattle wasn't all about grunge in those days, that's what David Geffin and Rolling Stone and those clowns turned it in to. Forced Entry headlined all the clubs here playing some of the greatest thrash the genre has ever known, all the big names were in awe of those guys, but they never made it out of Seattle. Same with My Sister's Machine.

Well, I would certainly hope there's more scenes in Seattle than just grunge.

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Yeah, Hair Metal. I'm really really sorry you never got to hear Open Up and say "Ahh!" part 2. I'm sure everyone else mourns Warrant and Cinderella and Firehouse and Britny Fox as much as you do, but maybe it was just time to move on, ya think?

I never considered hair to be metal. And no I don't miss it. Can't miss what you weren't involved with.

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You're entitled to your opinion, but maybe you might consider that everyone else is too.

When did I say you can't have an opinion? I can't stand Lady Gaga or Rihanna but do you see me on the Gaga or Rihanna threads busting people's balls for listening to them? No, you don't. Why? Because I don't give a damn. But when you're on MY thread, you're going to get MY opinions and you may not like 'em.

Mondo Bungle · 10-11-2013, 09:19 PM

Paul Smeenus · 10-11-2013, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

When did I claim to be an authority on the Seattle scene? I know nothing of Seattle.

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It was a disgrace. F-uck grunge and f-uck Seattle. Ten times worse than Detroit.

Yet you have no idea what even happened here unless it was on MTV.

I'm done with this, I'm satisfied that you've been exposed as to not knowing wtf you're talking about.

Neapolitan · 10-12-2013, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

It was a disgrace. F-uck grunge and f-uck Seattle. Ten times worse than Detroit.

That is about a twenty years difference between the two scenes. Twenty years is a long time, and there a lot that can happen in that time, and a lot did happen for better and worse. So you have no qualms about genres in between those two scences say for example Disco, Day-glo 80s Pop, or Glam Metal but for whatever reason Seattle and Detroit rubs you the wrong way?

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Who is Thurston Moore? Cobain liked the Meat Puppets and that's fine--I liked them too. But he was no Curt Kirkwood.
Maybe he is (never heard of him) but does that mean Cobain is by extension?

Wow really? Are you serious? or are you phrasing that like a rhetorical question?

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Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

It's not grunge I hate so much as the idiotic reaction to it. A-ssholes acted like they'd never heard music in their lives. They couldn't get enough of it and it put a lot of bands out of work that had been doing well. Suddenly, places wouldn't hire you if you couldn't play grunge s-hit. The problem for me was that it wasn't very musical. Punk generally wasn't either but it wasn't trying to be. Punk was conceived as anti-music. Grunge was just plain un-musical. Kurt Cobain was a hack. Couldn't play guitar to save his life and people think he's this great, tortured genius. S-hit, his guitar-playing and singing tortured me. Yet he became a musical hero to a generation who couldn't know decent playing if they heard it because, if they listened to Nirvana, they couldn't have heard it because Cobain blew. I wasn't going to play that junk. That was the end of my band days because you had to play grunge to get a gig and I wasn't having it. Grunge killed more scenes than it could ever have created what it did create was musically untalented.

One of my buddies loves Cobain and learned guitar from listening to him. All he knows are power barre chords--nothing else. Like Cobain, he can't play a lead riff. Listen to Nirvana, there's no leads not because they were against them but because Cobain couldn't play. When they did start putting leads into the songs, it was another guitarist they hired in.

Even if Kurt Cobain was the best playing lead guitar you can't fault him as a "hack" because he didn't pass himself off as the "greatest guitar you ever heard."

I don't think Grunge was unmusical - like it or lump it - it just had a different music sensibility about it.

Unknown Soldier · 10-12-2013, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Fixed.

No son, Pearl Jam were the best surely you should know that by now!

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Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

It's not grunge I hate so much as the idiotic reaction to it. A-ssholes acted like they'd never heard music in their lives. They couldn't get enough of it and it put a lot of bands out of work that had been doing well.

Same sort of thing happened 10 years earlier when punk and new-wave arrived circa 1976-1978.

Unknown Soldier · 10-12-2013, 01:44 AM

I don't know why you guys are even arguing with Lord Hairlip, whose already demonstrated to us on several occasions, that he has no interest in anybody's opinion unless it mirrors his own. I'm guessing the guy joined the forum to finally learn something about music, problem is though, he's not learning anything as he's too wrapped up in the past to change now.

I mean how can somebody express a love for punk and not even be aware of who Thurston Moore is?

Paul Smeenus · 10-12-2013, 01:49 AM

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I mean how can somebody express a love for punk and not even be aware of who Thurston Moore is?

Or claim to revile "grunge" and the Seattle scene and not even know who Tommy Niemeyer, Kim Thayil or Jerry Cantrell are.